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re: How can anyone honestly say Miles got out coached?

Posted on 11/9/14 at 3:44 pm to
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67592 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 3:44 pm to
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LSU is severely limited at QB


Because of the fricking coach. If our coaches were good we would not be limited at QB.

We also have just as much talent as Bama.
Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
Member since Jul 2010
41293 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 3:46 pm to
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bs penalty??? As always... An excuse...


You aren't worth talking to or taking anything you say serious if you think that penalty was close to legitimate and that it didn't have an effect on the situation.
Posted by NoGeaux
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
5539 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 3:50 pm to
Wait what? As you said we are severely limited at QB. I agree. Where I take issue is that you seem to suggest poor ole Les is saddled with it, that it was something totally out of his control.

Les is responsible for recruiting including QB's, Les is responsible for ensuring at every position inducing QB there are kids developed enough to execute an even modest passing attack. Les is responsible along with yet staff to develop QB's.

If as you state we are limited at a QB, Les needs to look in the mirror.
Posted by HoopyD
Member since Nov 2004
3270 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 4:06 pm to
So if you are giving Miles blame in not developing Jennings, did you give him credit for developing Russell into a number 1 overall draft pick?

18-21 year olds are a tricky bunch. Sometimes the light goes on, sometimes it doesn't. Unfortunately, Jennings not developing is the card we are dealt. I thought Miles did a masterful job of game planning around the limitation last night.
Posted by themunch
Earth. maybe
Member since Jan 2007
64743 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 4:15 pm to
If Miles had a handle on the d, Bama would never had moved the ball. LSU wins.
Posted by NoGeaux
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
5539 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 4:16 pm to
It's not only developing QB's but that's part of it. It's recruiting and keeping kids in the program that can step up and play when called upon.

You mention Russell and could have mentioned Mett.

But you can also mention Jefferson and Lee.

I'm not saying it's easy. I took issue with your post that to me seemed to suggest our QB play was a burden heaped on Les rather than the truth of the matter that it's a bed he made. He is responsible for it.


Posted by HoopyD
Member since Nov 2004
3270 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 4:27 pm to
I thought the worst coaching decision of the night was made by the guy who decided it was a good idea to keep bombing away at arguably the best secondary in the nation and kept coming up empty. This, despite the fact that the defense had proven that it could be gashed and the running back was averaging 4.5 yds a carry.
Posted by the crue
Chackbay-Thibodaux
Member since May 2008
3971 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 4:28 pm to
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given our passing constraints, miles coached a hell of a game.
so miles gets credit for losing a game because he cannot develop a qb? wow
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the refs changed the outcome of that game. that call was the worst I've seen in over 50 years. he did not have to throw that flag, esp over a little push in a very physical game.
so did you think it was ok when adams flopped against florida & the ref threw the flag? what about the lsu db holding bama wr's hand in the end zone?
Posted by tigersbh
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
10322 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 4:38 pm to
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Miles didn't get outcoached at all. He and Saban both called conservative plays and made sound decisions. I think Les and his staffs inability to develop QBs, and the ineptness on offense because of our poor QB is what helped us lose. Les has a big weakness in football strategy as it relates to personnel decisions, tendencies and exploiting opponets weaknesses


That is getting outcoached, just not during the game.
Posted by LateArrivalforLSU
Ascension Parish
Member since Sep 2012
3512 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 4:42 pm to
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How can anyone honestly say Miles got out coached?

Most of the time he IS out coached and out schemed. Luckily, he gets elite Louisiana talent that can usually out talent most other teams with lesser talent.

Give Miles the same talent as most of the teams we play and he's a 60-65% winning percentage coach.
Posted by HoopyD
Member since Nov 2004
3270 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 4:45 pm to
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Most of the time he IS out coached and out schemed. Luckily, he gets elite Louisiana talent that can usually out talent most other teams with lesser talent. Give Miles the same talent as most of the teams we play and he's a 60-65% winning percentage coach.


I think you just described Saban.
Posted by LateArrivalforLSU
Ascension Parish
Member since Sep 2012
3512 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 4:49 pm to
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I think you just described Saban.

No, I didn't. Saban has his teams ready and prepared to play. Hell, going into last season he's won three of the last five national titles. Saban gets about the same talent as LSU, but he is able to utilize that talent better. That's a fact.
Posted by Tigers4life
The great US of A
Member since May 2004
1865 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 4:50 pm to
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How can anyone honestly say Miles got out coached?


Because Cam Cameron was not near as creative as Lane K. Alabama ran multiple formations while LSU the I or mostly 3 or 4 receiver set must pass situations. It was like giving them the play and saying stop me if you can type offense.

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The nations best run defense was pounded all night long and gave up over twice their average.


LSU ran 56 times for a 3.3 yd. aver. Mostly power I with a loaded box. Why not take advantage of you seasoned O-line and spread them out and run or different run schemes.

quote:

LSU is severely limited at QB


That has a lot to do with play calling. Receivers running basic routes, Alabama knowing its a pass most the time. Why not mix it up and cause more miss assignments, picks, crossing routes, etc.

LSU defense played outstanding but the offense not some much. Saban knew exactly what was coming from Miles. Miles is a ground and pound coach and QB's are there to hand the ball off...not much more. If it works then he's a hero but if it doesn't then LSU is at a huge disadvantage.
This post was edited on 11/9/14 at 4:52 pm
Posted by NoShow
Member since Feb 2013
2339 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 4:52 pm to
Last year all the talk on here was how great Cam was at working with Mett and developing quarterbacks. Did he suddenly forget how?
Posted by GeneratedAttitude
Portland
Member since Aug 2014
64 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 4:59 pm to
If you follow recruiting Saban gets more talent in terms of rankings. Personally I feel as though the coaches are giving us the best chance the win now. Limit passing because honestly we have a guy that went 8-25 for 76 yards not sure why anyone would want him to throw more and then we have a freshman in his one only start went 3-13 against a poor auburn pass defense. So the way we are going to win games is run the ball, and play great defense and hope that our QB's can make a couple of plays. It's ugly but it'll give us a chance to pull out a win.
Posted by 1984Tiger
North Carolina
Member since Apr 2006
7283 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 5:04 pm to
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We've been running down their throats all game and all of the sudden we need to pass for the whole OT series?

I swear this board is bipolar ... read one post and it says we ran the ball no matter what. Read another and it complains that we didn't run in OT. I can say with 100% certainty that this fanbase will never be satisfied.


Posted by tigerfan1
Member since Jan 2007
1762 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 5:05 pm to
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This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 5:35 am
Posted by WalkingTurtles
Alexandria
Member since Jan 2013
5913 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 7:21 pm to
I think Mett was so good and had worked under different programs to develop. Remember for the majority of 2012 he was terrible. He put in the work with OBJ and JL and they became good. But you have to see through the numbers. He was only throwing it too OBJ or JL, he was locked in, he didn't make many progressions. The TE has been non-existant for almost a decade, which is troubling given the prolific rise of TEs in the Pro game, the same Pro game our OC came from and offensive style we run. JL and OBJ were just too good to be shut down.

I get the argument that all the skill players are young, and kudos to Grimes and his boys, they are really coming along, Pocic will be a 1st rd talent. But I feel like the argument is moot because we have had experienced teams marred with the same problems.

Eventually our guys are gonna be juniors or possibly seniors and we will overwhelm them with talent, but again, overwhelming with talent means lackluster coaching and poor development especially if we keep making the same mistakes that we make every single year in the Les Miles tenure. We have had the same problems under different OCs and experienced/non experienced QBs and players. That trend points to one man an it's Les.
Posted by Tigerinthehollow
Madison, MS
Member since Sep 2014
5655 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 7:31 pm to
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Saban gets about the same talent as LSU, but he is able to utilize that talent better. That's a fact.


NO, it's not a fact. The fact is that Bama has averaged the number 1 recruiting class in the nation over the last several years, while LSU has averaged around 8th. Both teams are very talented, but Saban has the best players, generally the easiest schedule, and of course an advantage from team ritter. Given all of this, if Bama doesn't win the SEC this year, Saban will have won it 2 times in 8 years, and only 1 time over the last 5 years. There are a LOT of good coaches out there that given the talent Saban has, could do that. FACT.
Posted by IAmReality
Member since Oct 2012
12229 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 7:32 pm to
LSU's coaches called a great game. They got exactly the type of game they wanted, a low scoring slug fest, the type of game LSU could win with a severely limited QB.

The only thing you can second guess is the play calling in the OT. LSU had avoided putting their fate in the QB's hands the whole night and that might have been a good time to start. It's almost like knowing a TD was needed caused a little panic.
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