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re: 1984 BYU
Posted on 12/24/21 at 4:56 pm to AtchafalayaRoute
Posted on 12/24/21 at 4:56 pm to AtchafalayaRoute
I blame OU for losing to Washington. They win that and they are National Champions.
This post was edited on 12/24/21 at 5:02 pm
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Posted on 12/24/21 at 6:15 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Without the SECCG this year Bama would be out.
Care to explain?
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Some one will win it every year meaning someone will finish beating 2 top 4 teams every year.
If Alabama wins it all, they will have done it over a three game stretch with teams ranked #1, #4, and #2/#3.
Compare that to what BYU had to do in 1984. Their last three games of the season were against 6-5-1 Utah, 1-10 Utah State, and 6-6 Michigan.
It's much more difficult to win a national title in the current format than it was for teams in years past. Someone will emerge victorious but in order to do so they will have played the absolute best college football has to offer.
This post was edited on 12/24/21 at 6:18 pm
Posted on 12/24/21 at 6:36 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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It was huge back then to have gone undefeated no matter who you played.
Saban isn't winning all these Nattys in the 80s or 90s.
Hating Bama is normal but you seem to spend more time shitting on Bama than you do supporting any single team.
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Unlike today's Alabama which has only had two undefeated seasons under Saban
Last time you said this someone pointed out Bama has had FIVE regular seasons in which they finished undefeated. What happens after that is anyone’s guess. Your statement is so STUPID because you’re applying today’s system of matching up the no.1 or no.2 in the BCS or top 4 playoff teams to the old system. The old system didn’t always feature the top 2 teams yet you assume the results are the same.
Like in 2016 Clemson was undefeated while Bama was no.2. Under the old system the two would not have played each for the title game in their bowl. So maybe Clemson loses their bowl game while Bama doesn’t. Or maybe not. No one knows but you’re going to make this definitive statement in every thread you can.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 6:41 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Unlike today's Alabama which has only had two undefeated seasons under Saban...
Just so you're aware, Bear Bryant had only three undefeated seasons at Alabama in his 25 seasons as the head coach. Saban has two in 15 seasons.
Bryant's national championship season records were as follows:
1961: 11-0
1964: 10-1
1965: 9-1-1
1973: 11-1
1978: 11-1
1979: 12-0
The other undefeated season he had, 1966, his team finished #3 in the polls behind 9-0-1 Notre Dame and Michigan State. Alabama went 11-0 that year.
This post was edited on 12/24/21 at 6:44 pm
Posted on 12/24/21 at 6:45 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Without the SECCG this year Bama would be out.
Not necessarily. If in this hypothetical (pre-BCS and NC awarded after bowl games) UGA and UM loses their bowl game while Bama wins, then maybe Bama is awarded the title. Obviously can’t say for certain but it’s not impossible.
Also you guys are thinking about the instances in which this could hurt Bama but not the instances in which it helps. In 2016 and 2018 Bama didn’t win it but entered no.1. So instead of playing Clemson maybe they play a weaker team and finish undefeated and NCs? It does both ways. In 2009 maybe they share the title with UF. In 2012 they probably play ND just as in real life.
Point is there a ton of unknowns and it’s possible Saban still has a lot of titles.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 6:46 pm to RollTide1987
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Without the SECCG this year Bama would be out. Care to explain?
Sure. I meant in terms of the old MNC days. if there wasn’t an SEC CG like 1984 12-0 UGA would be SEC Champs ranked #1 playing in the Sugar Bowl probably against #3 Cincinnati (using the AP rankings before the CCG) or maybe Notre Dame. It is possible that the Sugar Bowl could invite Alabama since they didn’t play in the regular season but my guess is they would go with undefeated #3 or the ratings cop out ND.
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If Alabama wins it all, they will have done it over a three game stretch with teams ranked #1, #4, and #2/#3.
And the same applies to Michigan UGA and Cincinnati. Someone will do that every year.
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Compare that to what BYU had to do in 1984. Their last three games of the season were against 6-5-1 Utah, 1-10 Utah State, and 6-6 Michigan. It's much more difficult to win a national title in the current format than it was for teams in years past.
This is wrong way to look at. I get what you are saying but it’s not a matter of easier or harder. Auburn in 2004 Penn St in 1994 among others went undefeated and didn’t get to play for it. 2008 USC lost a Thursday night road game at Oregon St who went 9-4 that year and were knocked out. They loss is no worse than Bama losing at A&M this year. How many years did FSU “lose” a NC shot in Oct wide right?
Yes to win it Bama will have to beat 2 top 4 teams that’s certainly harder than BYUs 84 schedule but now you (not just Bama of course) have more margin for error. Because you can lose and get second chances that didn’t exist in the past
This post was edited on 12/24/21 at 8:07 pm
Posted on 12/24/21 at 6:57 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Sure. if there wasn’t an SEC CG like 1984 12-0 UGA would as SEC Champs #1 playing in the Sugar Bowl probably against #3 Cincinnati (using the AP rankings before the CCG) or maybe Notre Dame. It is possible i that the Sugar Bowl could invite Alabama since they didn’t play in the regular season but my guess is they would go with undefeated #3.
Okay...I thought you were saying Alabama wouldn't have been in with the playoffs and without the conference championship game. Because we likely finish #4 in the final CFP rankings without the SECG and play Georgia in the semi-finals. I misunderstood.
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Someone will do that every year.
Someone will do it every year now matter what system we have. I'm simply arguing that the system we have in place now makes it harder to do it in a given year than in previous decades.
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Yes to win it Bama will have to beat 2 top 4 teams that’s certainly harder than BYUs 84 schedule but now you (not just Bama of course) have more margin for error.
Yes and no. One loss teams have been winning the national championship for years.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 7:12 pm to moontigr
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Washington was the best team in the country that year, imo.
Came here to post this. Went 11-1 and beat Oklahoma pretty good in the Orange Bowl. Slipped up and lost to USC 16-7 in the Coliseum fo their only loss. They'd have beat BYU by 3 TDs.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 8:14 pm to AtchafalayaRoute
Back when being undefeated was the only thing that mattered I guess. Washington should be blamed though since they could've played them in the Holiday Bowl but declined.
And that Pitt team finished with a losing record.
And that Pitt team finished with a losing record.
This post was edited on 12/24/21 at 8:16 pm
Posted on 12/24/21 at 8:14 pm to msudawg1200
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They'd have beat BYU by 3 TDs.
Well they had the chance and declined...
Posted on 12/24/21 at 10:27 pm to AtchafalayaRoute
BYU was scheduled to play LSU in the Holiday Bowl. When Florida was stripped of the conference title and Sugar Bowl by the SEC Presidents, LSU went to the Sugar. Michigan (6-5) was a last minute replacement.
Posted on 12/25/21 at 3:44 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Saban isn't winning all these Nattys in the 80s or 90s.
Why not?
1. Fewer games to win
2. Weaker SEC
3. Possibility of split titles.
Many national champions in the ‘80s and ‘90s either lost and/or tied a game (‘83 Miami, ‘85 OU, ‘89 Miami, ‘90 GT/Colorado, ‘93 FSU, ‘96 Florida) or split the title (‘90, ‘91, should be ‘94, ‘97).
I think a lot of national champions in the ‘80s and ‘90s would have been different with the four team playoff format, and some of the matchups we missed out on are tragic.
‘91 Miami vs. Washington
‘94 Penn State vs. Nebraska
‘97 Michigan vs. Nebraska
I don’t think some of the teams that did win it in those years would have done so in the playoff era, especially those that would have been #2 seeds.
1992 Alabama, for example, would have had to go through both FSU and Miami. I don’t think they could have pulled that off. I don’t think ‘86 Penn State gets through both OU and Miami.
When you’re the underdog it helps a lot to have a month to build up emotionally and schematically to peak for one game and pull an upset.
Posted on 12/25/21 at 10:37 am to Globetrotter747
I think Florida State is your national champion in 1992 if there is a four team playoff. They were the better team against Miami that year but pissed the game away through mistakes and, of course, Wide Right II.
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