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Posted on 5/9/23 at 11:57 am to Marciano1
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I'm angry. I'm very angry, Ralph. You know, you can ball my wife if she wants you to. You can lounge around here on her sofa, in her ex-husband's dead-tech, post-modernistic bullshite house if you want to. But you do not get to watch my fricking television set!
Great scene.
Posted on 5/9/23 at 4:15 pm to selfgen
The robberies/shootouts are great but most of the rest of the movie sucks. The scenes of Pacino with Diane Venora have made me stop the movie and watch something else. The De Niro scenes with Amy Brenneman aren't as over the top, but her interest in him has always seemed silly to me. The only relationship that I find interesting in Val Kilmer and Ashley Judd. It's the only one that makes sense too. She's hooker and he's a thief.
If they had made it without love interests, like Tarantino made Reservoir Dogs, it would have been much better.Too many studios feel the need to write love stories into action movies.
If they had made it without love interests, like Tarantino made Reservoir Dogs, it would have been much better.Too many studios feel the need to write love stories into action movies.
Posted on 5/9/23 at 4:22 pm to chinese58
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The robberies/shootouts are great but most of the rest of the movie sucks. The scenes of Pacino with Diane Venora have made me stop the movie and watch something else. The De Niro scenes with Amy Brenneman aren't as over the top, but her interest in him has always seemed silly to me. The only relationship that I find interesting in Val Kilmer and Ashley Judd. It's the only one that makes sense too. She's hooker and he's a thief.
If they had made it without love interests, like Tarantino made Reservoir Dogs, it would have been much better.Too many studios feel the need to write love stories into action movies.
I think this is my take as well. The De Niro love story didn't make sense at all.
Posted on 5/9/23 at 4:35 pm to selfgen
Watched it on Pluto the other night and agree that they could have done without the extra drama of the relationships. Made it very long.
Plus…yeah. 50 yr old Deniro with Brenneman who wasn’t a day over 30 was a stretch. Should’ve been an older woman.
Mann is just a great director with his incorporation of music. Also, the sound in the gun fight seemed much more realistic in comparison to modern movies and TV. Those weapons were loud in the streets!
Plus…yeah. 50 yr old Deniro with Brenneman who wasn’t a day over 30 was a stretch. Should’ve been an older woman.
Mann is just a great director with his incorporation of music. Also, the sound in the gun fight seemed much more realistic in comparison to modern movies and TV. Those weapons were loud in the streets!
This post was edited on 5/9/23 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 5/9/23 at 5:28 pm to selfgen
my father loves this movie, his favorite of all time
Posted on 5/9/23 at 5:56 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
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I think this is my take as well. The De Niro love story didn't make sense at all.
The story loses all substance without that part of the plot.
I’d agree they don’t have a ton of chemistry, and De Niro notoriously doesn’t have chemistry with anyone really on screen romantically, but the character is just a random criminal without that plot anchoring him and giving him a reason to be there and be conflicting
This post was edited on 5/9/23 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 5/9/23 at 6:01 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
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So I watched it….. shooting scene was cool but I don’t get the hype. Yeah they did some real looking reloads and stuff but don’t see the hype on realism.
The realism is they used the actual sounds from the set and didn’t use anything in the post editing room.
They literally cleared out downtown LA and held a shootout with legit weapons that had blanks in them and everyone on the cast went through intense training to make it a legit looking scene. You cannot get a more realistic shootout on film without shooting an actual crime
This post was edited on 5/9/23 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 5/10/23 at 2:17 am to selfgen
Thank you. My favorite movie of all time.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 8:30 am to wildtigercat93
I enjoyed the sound, the intensity, and the training clearly being shown by the crew, but I think it's still a little overhyped by "it was used as a training video" thing.
This post was edited on 5/10/23 at 8:34 am
Posted on 5/10/23 at 8:34 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
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Except the amount of rounds shot around a full crowd by police, the amount of people still around during automatic fire after a sustained gunfight, the shot from a no optic rifle from pacino to kill the guy with the hostage, the amount of ammo val kilmer has in one magazine, the magic bag with all the preloaded magazines waiting for them, and the fact 30+ cops shooting automatic weapons can't hit them one time except the lucky shot in the shoulder to val kilmer. It was a well shot stormtrooper v jedi gunfight. I enjoyed it but it was overhyped.
Your critiques are bizarre but you’ve made me turn on Heat for the millionth time
Thanks baw
Posted on 5/10/23 at 8:34 am to Sun God
I retracted all that. I sent it and decided it wasn't a fair assessment.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 8:41 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
Good call
Posted on 5/10/23 at 8:55 am to Sun God
I just can't wrap my finger around it though. I did enjoy the gunfight but I somehow found the show was meh to me. It could be I just did not like Pacino's character THAT much and it took away from the rest of the show. I thought every other character was solid and well-acted. De Niro's relationship was weird by the age gap but a friend said maybe she was a gold digger. It didn't come off like that but could make sense. Val Kilmers relationship was actually the best written. Van Zant story was pretty cool when De Niro said he was talking to a dead man.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 9:04 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
I slept on this movie and it's turned into a top 5 for me
Posted on 5/10/23 at 9:17 am to Hot Carl
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I, too, listen to this podcast. And it may be my favorite ever. YouTube recommended The Town episode to me—I guess cause I like Rusillo and movies and the algorithm put 2 and 2 together—and absolutely loved that episode. And I’ve devoured almost all the episodes in the past 3 months or so. And I never liked Bill Simmons before, but have a newfound respect for him now. Him and Chris Ryan love them some Heat.
Anyway, the pod made me go back and watch Heat for the 1st time in probably 10 years, and I want to kick myself for waiting that long between watches. It’s so good, and it’s incredible how well it holds up after almost 30 years now.
I'm also a big Rewatchables fan. I put on the latest episode, "The Chef", and for some reason in my head I thought that it was "The Menu" and about 15 minutes in after being really confused I finally realized that it was a different movie and I've never seen "The Chef" and turned it off
This post was edited on 5/10/23 at 9:27 am
Posted on 5/10/23 at 1:42 pm to Funky Tide 8
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I'm also a big Rewatchables fan. I put on the latest episode, "The Chef", and for some reason in my head I thought that it was "The Menu" and about 15 minutes in after being really confused I finally realized that it was a different movie and I've never seen "The Chef" and turned it off
The chef is a good movie and they have an awesome spin off cooking show on Netflix that is even better. No movie will make you hungrier than that one. Very chill hang out kind of a movie. Ironically probably the polar opposite of what The Menu was about
Also some of my favorite rewatchable episodes are movies I hadn’t seen. Doesn’t always work but sometimes I have no interest in the movie but the discussion and background of it is interesting (typically depends on the crew on the pod for the episode)
A couple times I would watch the movie fresh before the pod but something dumb or crazy would stick out to me on the watch and it would drive me crazy when the pod never mentioned it so I stopped that
Posted on 5/10/23 at 2:12 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
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The De Niro love story didn't make sense at all.
The whole idea is that he’s the most disciplined thief you can possibly be. The love story is necessary to test that.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 2:23 pm to TotesMcGotes
Yeah that movie without that character climaxes in Deniro taking a mildly turbulent flight to Venezuela
Posted on 5/10/23 at 2:42 pm to selfgen
Pretty average movie.
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