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re: Shogun - Official Series Discussion Thread **Spoilers**

Posted on 4/2/24 at 7:26 pm to
Posted by boomtown143
Merica
Member since May 2019
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Posted on 4/2/24 at 7:26 pm to
F'n awesome episode.

His son was a dweeb but him dying along with blackthorne calling him out may light a fire under his a$$
Posted by 225rumpshaker
Texas
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 4/2/24 at 7:56 pm to
That was a good episode

Liked how blackthorne said the two guys names who had the balls to standup

Ole baws son should have switched out for the wet sneaker grip, those rocks are tricky when wet

Interested to see next week
This post was edited on 4/2/24 at 7:59 pm
Posted by FreddieMac
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 4/2/24 at 8:31 pm to
They was unexpected end to the son.
Posted by Civildawg
Member since May 2012
8610 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 9:23 pm to
A few questions for the people. I haven't started the latest episode but I'm a little confused.

1. Have they explained why the translator girl's Father killed the other woman's father? Also who was her Father?

2. So the ruler of Japan couldn't produce an heir so they made another woman conceive him one correct? And she hates the one guy because she thinks he did the plotting to kill her Father?
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
99448 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 9:24 pm to
I think the old whore has it right. Forces from Edo are gonna come into play. The "surrender" to Osaka is the pretext for Crimson Sky.
Posted by SouthMSReb
Member since Dec 2013
4426 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 9:44 pm to
I think he told anjin to storm out - go to his ship - and blow the fckers up.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
99448 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 9:46 pm to
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I think he told anjin to storm out - go to his ship - and blow the fckers up


Sucks we have to wait a week...
Posted by 225rumpshaker
Texas
Member since Sep 2006
8897 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 9:55 pm to
These folks knew they had a good show on their hands so didn’t drop all episodes at once

Pretentious bastards

I’m sadz to have to wait again
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
32004 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 10:25 pm to
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I think he told anjin to storm out - go to his ship - and blow the fckers up.

Agreed
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
49150 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 10:27 pm to
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These folks knew they had a good show on their hands so didn’t drop all episodes at once

Pretentious bastards

I’m sadz to have to wait again


Best show I've watched on television in awhile. I love the weekly drops. I like the episodes to marinate
Posted by sqerty
AP
Member since May 2022
5203 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 10:44 pm to
Did Toranaga leave two tracts of land in Edo to the teahouse lady? If so, it means she was right.

The language barrier with Blackthorne is killing me, but I know it has some purpose with Mariko. Just kinda wished they did that movie thing where some time passes or a montage and he magically can understand and speak basic Japanese (more than he has).

Who has a 12 year old as a second?
Posted by saintsfan92612
Taiwan
Member since Oct 2008
28897 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 10:48 pm to
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Have they explained why the translator girl's Father killed the other woman's father? Also who was her Father?


He is based on Mitsuhide Akechi who allegedly killed Oda Nobunaga (the first unifier of Japan) for being violently cruel (and choosing others for promotions over him)
Posted by saintsfan92612
Taiwan
Member since Oct 2008
28897 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 10:49 pm to
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Who has a 12 year old as a second?


my first thought watching that scene with my gf was that there was no fricking way he made a clean cut
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
56581 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 10:58 pm to
Well, this is a massive departure from the book and history, so this show could go anywhere now.
Posted by saintsfan92612
Taiwan
Member since Oct 2008
28897 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 10:59 pm to
yeah, I am glad they are going a little off the rails. I hope it ends a little differently than the book, honestly.
Posted by Yeti_Chaser
Member since Nov 2017
7771 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 11:06 pm to
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quote:
If so then Toranaga really needs to work on his allies. His council consists of two guys who worked for Ishido, the son (nephew?) of one of the guys who was working for Ishido, his dumbass kid, one loyal old guy, and the Anjin.


Let’s be honest, most of the leaders and regents we’ve seen to this point are pretty duplicitous. So it’s not really shocking to see that trickle down the ranks.

And the trend continues...
Posted by saintsfan92612
Taiwan
Member since Oct 2008
28897 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 11:08 pm to
except no more dumbass kid
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
56581 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 11:18 pm to
I don't like what they've done with Blackthorne. He had a lot more friends by this time in the story and wasn't reviled by everyone.

And the whiners have still called 'white savior' on it.
Posted by 3nOut
Central Texas, TX
Member since Jan 2013
29063 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 11:45 pm to
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crown this show NOW


It’s rare that I’d agree with a statement like this mid season but there is absolutely no show that makes me put my phone down and pay complete attention like this (subtitles excluded.)

Nothing on television like this since GoT. Closest thing is Mare of Easttown, Stranger Things, and True Detective S1.

Appointment television.
Posted by theGarnetWay
Washington, D.C.
Member since Mar 2010
25892 posts
Posted on 4/3/24 at 7:14 am to
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Well, this is a massive departure from the book and history, so this show could go anywhere now.


Okay, glad someone else confirmed this. I’ve tried avoiding mentioning the book to avoid spoilers but it’s been a while since I’ve read it so when they’re are departures I’m not always sure if it’s a departure or I’m just not remembering it correctly. Some in this episode felt way more “off” than what I could recall so glad it’s confirmed.

And yes, I believe that tract of land in Edo was for the tea house lady. In the show and book it’s because he recognizes her guile, intelligence, and attention to detail. In the book, I think she also convinces them by having a single district/guild the Willow World will be more organized and controlled which for Toranga means more easily taxed. I doubt that part will be mentioned in the show
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