re: Non-Pels April Thread

I don't think we choked ... that is just who we are.

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Let me know when Trey or CJ hit two clutch free throws to tie the game with under a minute left, then hit two step back mid range shots to retie the game, and then win the game at the buzzer. Guy was 6-8 for 14 points in the 4th quarter after going 3-16 from the field in the first 3 quarters. Definition of a closer.

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Jamal Murray developed into that player with opportunities. You’re acting like when they drafted him he was that player. Trey has already made some big shots early in his career as well. Expecting Trey to be prime Jamal Murray who has gone through several playoff battles is silly. But there is a world where its feasible to develop Trey in this manner. CJ has made some big shots in the playoffs but yes he has struggled with the pels.

By the way if you gonna quote me from another thread and complain about my posts after we lose a playoff game and nuggets win a crazy game just use my name dont be a bitch about it.

This is so petty on another level. I was never comparing that Jamal and CJ/Trey are exactly the same. Its the premise on how the team is built and developed. Jamal is known to be an ELITE shooter and guess what he did he won by ELITE shooting. Again this was such a bitch petty move and completely misconstruing my posts to fit your “I was right” narrative. Ridiculous bitch pettiness.

By the way this is kind of the shite you do on this board and then complain other people just like to argue with you. No you just post long shite and then want to people tell you you’re right.

Trey is not goign to become the shot creator Murray is.
Murray was this way from the get go.

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By the way if you gonna quote me from another thread and complain about my posts after we lose a playoff game and nuggets win a crazy game just use my name dont be a bitch about it.

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eh. i didn't want to call you out. I get what you were saying, disagreed a bit, but i got it. I wasn't out to make you look like an idiot or anything. Despite your disagreements with me, i enjoy the discussion. I honestly didn't even remember that you were the one that said it.

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Trey is not goign to become the shot creator Murray is. Murray was this way from the get go.

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No he wasn’t but ok assume he was. This is recency bias. He developed with Jokic into this player.

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eh. i didn't want to call you out. I get what you were saying, disagreed a bit, but i got it. I wasn't out to make you look like an idiot or anything. Despite your disagreements with me, i enjoy the discussion. I honestly didn't even remember that you were the one that said it.

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I’ll take that as an apology so all good.

Would have preferred BI have the ball to take a contested mid range than whatever CJ did personally.

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Yeah, he has been that good for while. Guys that are clutch are born that way. And i love the fact that Trey isnt' afraid of the moment, but he's just not the creator that Murray, or BI is. It is very clear to see that Trey wants the ball in big moments. That's something in a player that's always there, it isn't developed.
Here we are 5 years into BI and Zion and we've done nothing, which is why one of them has to go, and it should be BI. Zion isn't at Jokic's level, and BI isn't at Murray's level, hence why we've accomplished nothing.

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I dont think you necessarily have to be a creator to be clutch. Like Klay is pretty clutch and he was never a big creator. I could see Trey being that kind of clutch

Klay gets way too much credit imo. The dude was infamous for hardly dribbling, now you have to knockdown the shot but when you have the greatest shooter of all time to pull defenders and an all time great screener like Draymond.. I think Trey is more skilled and has a higher ceiling

Klay's ability to get open and hit a shot with a lighting quick release with his feet/chest facing away from the basket when he jumps is how he creates.
Reddick and Korver possessed that skill as will.
That's not typically what you want in a closer, but when you can run a set like that and make the defense scramble to make sure he doesn't get open, it opens up the floor for everyone else.

Can Trey get to that level? Maybe, and that's an awesome thing to have in your back pocket in late game situations. I'm not sure Trey's release is quick enough just yet, but his ability to find that space by shooting from distance and being so tall without a doubt helps him. And he's learning how to relocate when run off the line, whether with the ball or not.



And no Zion isn't at Jokic's level, but he has the potential to get near there. Same as Giannis. But both Jokic and Giannis relied very heavily on Murray and Middleton's ability to hit clutch mid range shots late in games. I know you all hate that shot, but seriously, watch how often it's attempted late in playoff games. It's the one shot you can't take away from an offensive guy. You can stop him from shooting a 3. You can stop him from getting to the rim, or at least make that extremely difficult. But you can't stop a guy from taking 2 dribbles and rising up from 18' out. You can be in his face all you want, but he'll get that shot off.
BI has irritated all of us, but he's still the one guy on this team that can do that and win us games. the problem is he simply doesn't make the shot more often than not it seems, and we aren't winning close games.
No one would be upset with his shot selection if he had won us a few games this year hitting some clutch shots. Well.....he still needs to take 2 more 3's a game, but him being more clutch is probably more important to us getting to where we want to be than him just shooting more 3's. He has to be our secondary closer, and if he can't be that, then we need a new guy that can be.

NAW has developed into a very nice rotational piece for the Wolves. He's playing big quality minutes for a playoff team.