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I know people have varying thoughts on PFF, but they had Fuaga as the 2nd best OT and....
Posted on 4/26/24 at 8:01 am
Posted on 4/26/24 at 8:01 am
the 13th highest player in the draft overall.
PFF's top 10 rankings of the '24 NFL Draft's OTs
They also had 3-year scouting reports and grades on all the players on their big board: "PFF's Big Board for the 2024 NFL Draft offers three-year player grades, combine measurables, position rankings, and in-depth player analysis for all of the top draft prospects"
PFF's 3 Year Scouting Grades on all the players on their big board
Some is behind a paywall. But if you scroll down to Fuaga (or any player you want to check out) and click on the black "Show Draft Guide Profile" box it opens up a more in-depth look at him.
Played 12 games and 700 snaps last year (699 at RT--349 run blocking, 351 pass blocking) and gave up 0 sacks, 2 hits, and 10 hurries for an overall grade of 88.2. (For reference, Joe Alt's was 90.7, and their 3rd highest rated OT, Washington's Troy Fautanu's was 75.5).
In 13 games in '22, he played 810 snaps (all at RT--445 run blocking, 365 pass blocking) and gave up 0 sacks, 3 hits, and 8 hurries). No overall grade listed.
In '21 as a freshman, only played in 3 games and had 55 snaps (all at RT--37 run blocking, 18 pass blocking) and gave up 0 sacks, 0 hits, and 0 hurries). Again, no overall grade listed.
So, in 28 games, he had 734 pass blocking plays, did not give up any sacks, only 5 hits, and 18 hurries.
For shits and giggles, they had Dallas Turner as their 16h overall rated player with a '23 overall grade of 81.6.
And even though neither were available to us at 14, they had Penn State's Fashanu as their #17 overall ('23 grade of 78.8) and Bama's Latham as their 18th overall ('23 grade of 81.9).
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2. T TALIESE FUAGA, OREGON STATE
PFF BIG BOARD RANK: 13
Ultimately, Fuaga's tape is that of a starting NFL offensive lineman, whether that is at tackle or guard. He brings the powerful mentality needed to stand out in the trenches. I believe he has the adequate length and foot speed, good offensive line IQ and elite strength to succeed at tackle and get a shot there as a first-round pick.
PFF's top 10 rankings of the '24 NFL Draft's OTs
They also had 3-year scouting reports and grades on all the players on their big board: "PFF's Big Board for the 2024 NFL Draft offers three-year player grades, combine measurables, position rankings, and in-depth player analysis for all of the top draft prospects"
PFF's 3 Year Scouting Grades on all the players on their big board
Some is behind a paywall. But if you scroll down to Fuaga (or any player you want to check out) and click on the black "Show Draft Guide Profile" box it opens up a more in-depth look at him.
Played 12 games and 700 snaps last year (699 at RT--349 run blocking, 351 pass blocking) and gave up 0 sacks, 2 hits, and 10 hurries for an overall grade of 88.2. (For reference, Joe Alt's was 90.7, and their 3rd highest rated OT, Washington's Troy Fautanu's was 75.5).
In 13 games in '22, he played 810 snaps (all at RT--445 run blocking, 365 pass blocking) and gave up 0 sacks, 3 hits, and 8 hurries). No overall grade listed.
In '21 as a freshman, only played in 3 games and had 55 snaps (all at RT--37 run blocking, 18 pass blocking) and gave up 0 sacks, 0 hits, and 0 hurries). Again, no overall grade listed.
So, in 28 games, he had 734 pass blocking plays, did not give up any sacks, only 5 hits, and 18 hurries.
For shits and giggles, they had Dallas Turner as their 16h overall rated player with a '23 overall grade of 81.6.
And even though neither were available to us at 14, they had Penn State's Fashanu as their #17 overall ('23 grade of 78.8) and Bama's Latham as their 18th overall ('23 grade of 81.9).
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Posted on 4/26/24 at 8:03 am to Hot Carl
Here's some more things they had to say about him:
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Fuaga is the kind of arse-kicker every NFL team wants in the trenches. He has a finisher’s mentality in the run game and takes pride in pushing defenders against their will.
In pass protection, his stride length is limited but his foot speed makes up for it. He has a good, wide base to neutralize bull rushes quickly. His hands are consistently up and in the right position to strike with power at any moment.
He also possesses the hand quickness to hand fight yet protect his chest. He can be a bit overzealous to make contact in pass protection, which can lead to a vulnerability to swipes and chops. But that patience did improve in 2023.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 8:17 am to Hot Carl
What did they say about Peat and Penning?
Posted on 4/26/24 at 8:18 am to Hot Carl
They also had two available DBs and two DL ranked ahead of Fuaga
Posted on 4/26/24 at 8:21 am to Hot Carl
Fuaga is a good pick. We needed an OT and got a good one. It’s not a sexy pick. It’s not an exciting pick. It is a good pick.
We have plenty of other needs, but getting one of the top OTs is a solid pick at the biggest need.
People would complain no matter who we picked.
We have plenty of other needs, but getting one of the top OTs is a solid pick at the biggest need.
People would complain no matter who we picked.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 8:34 am to Hot Carl
Carl, Duke Manyweather and Brandon Thorn, the two OL gurus of the league who work with all of these guys, have Fuaga penned as an inside guy.
Thorn had him as his OL6, Manyweather comps him to Mike iupati, who was a great guard but a guard nonetheless.
Does this worry you? I’ll take your answer off the air
Thorn had him as his OL6, Manyweather comps him to Mike iupati, who was a great guard but a guard nonetheless.
Does this worry you? I’ll take your answer off the air
Posted on 4/26/24 at 9:02 am to GynoSandberg
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Carl, Duke Manyweather and Brandon Thorn, the two OL gurus of the league who work with all of these guys, have Fuaga penned as an inside guy.
Thorn had him as his OL6, Manyweather comps him to Mike iupati, who was a great guard but a guard nonetheless.
Do they think that his best position is guard or that he can't play OT on the NFL level? if it's the former, and they think that his best position in a vacuum is at guard, but could still be a serviceable to good NFL OT, I'm ok with that. Because he won't be playing in a vacuum, he'll be playing on the Saints' OL, and we are in desperate need for a talent upgrade everywhere but Center.
I'm fine with them just taking the best OL available on their board and figuring out the positions later. Hell, maybe Saldiveri takes a huge leap and develops into a starting RT and Fuaga winds up at LG. And we piece LT together in '24 with Penning and Peat and keep drafting BPA OTs in whatever round until we hit.
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Does this worry you?
Well, sure, but what's the alternative? PFF had Fuaga as their 13th highest rated player on their big board, so it's not crazy that he may have been the BPA on the Saints at 14. Btw, I am no expert on any of this. At all. I enjoy the draft process, but don't deep dive like a lot of you. I have no idea who the guys are that you mentioned, for example.
And I just picked the PFF site at random. Haven't really looked anywhere else. And I don't know how much weight to give their insight. Maybe they're brilliant. Maybe they're horrible. But I didn't go digging for somebody(ies) to make me feel better about the pick or to try to convince anybody else to feel better about it either. I literally googled "top ranked '24 NFL Draft OTs" and PFF was the 1st site that came up, and I posted what they had. I wasn't looking for any confirmation bias. I would have posted the same thing if they had him ranked the 7th best OT and #50 overall. I just used it as a jumping off point for discussion.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 9:04 am to DomincDecoco
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What did they say about Peat and Penning?
Peat's toughness was questioned by multiple people.
Penning's toughness was questioned by no one, but everyone said he was raw and a project, and would require a team with patience.
No one is saying anything like that about Fuaga. Finished product, an absolute mauler and tough SOB. The only question for him is depending on system and if you have him at RT or RG. Fuaga has also said he has no problem playing on the Left, when many OL will only want to play one side.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 9:05 am to Hot Carl
Him and Alt were the safest two tackle picks. Fashanu and Latham may be better but I see bust potential in both of them especially Latham. Fashanu supposedly is horrible at run blocking.
It’s a solid safe pick that we needed
It’s a solid safe pick that we needed
Posted on 4/26/24 at 9:09 am to Townedrunkard
But wait, but wait...PFF hated him...that's what we were told all last night by several posters here (one guy in particular). How dare you counter that with evidence.
To be fair, PFF does overanalyze and overthink. The kind of logic they use too often is the same logic that the Falcons used to draft Michael Pennix and not tell Cousins until they were on the clock.
To be fair, PFF does overanalyze and overthink. The kind of logic they use too often is the same logic that the Falcons used to draft Michael Pennix and not tell Cousins until they were on the clock.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 9:09 am to DomincDecoco
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What did they say about Peat and Penning?
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Three-year starter at left tackle with outstanding measurables on a low-cut, well-built frame. Penning plays with a level of disgust for anyone lining up against him and seeks out violent block finishes when possible. He's athletic enough to block on the move and has the potential to shine as a powerful drive blocker. Size, length and know-how have been more than enough to ward off FCS pass rushers, but he needs to operate with better inside-out positioning while developing much firmer edges to succeed against a more talented group of quarterback hunters. Penning has both traits and toughness but the tape can leave you wanting just a little more from him. He should become an instant starter at left or right tackle but the jump in competition will take time to navigate.
It's great for an O-lineman to have an "arse-kicking" mentality. But when the guys whose asses you are trying to kick are just flat-out faster and more athletic to the point where you can barely get your hands on them all the anger in the world isn't going to help much. That's not say Fuaga won't be 1000x better. But I wouldn't fall completely in love with just an "arse-kicking" mentality.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 9:11 am to DomincDecoco
Fuaga isn't the reach that Penning was. Penning was a run blocker only, and they knew he wasn't a complete OT when they drafted him. Penning is a guard in the NFL.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 9:12 am to Hot Carl
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Well, sure, but what's the alternative?
The next 2 picks would have been nice, and both are also need positions.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 9:13 am to bstaceyau19
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But wait, but wait...PFF hated him...that's what we were told all last night by several posters here (
Nobody said that. Why lie?
Posted on 4/26/24 at 9:14 am to Hot Carl
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Do they think that his best position is guard or that he can't play OT on the NFL level?
They’ll never say he 100% can’t play OT. You just don’t hear any question about Alt, Latham, and Fashanu playing OT. But given what was available at 14, you kinda have to be 100% certain the guy is an OT. You still need guard help, so worst case scenario isn’t horrible. But still..
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Saldiveri takes a huge leap and develops into a starting RT
I think Saldiveri has been tagged inside for good. Namely bc of his arm length. Just going off his practice reps with us.
Guess who Fuaga’s closest comp is based of size and athleticism?
Posted on 4/26/24 at 9:21 am to SlowFlowPro
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The next 2 picks would have been nice, and both are also need positions.
I kind of agree that it would've been a great chance to get an elite de at that spot in the draft. 5 qbs picked in the first 10 picks.
Saints could've had late, verse, or turner. Maybe trade back and still get an end and a 2nd rounder. You can actually grab a tackle in the 2nd. I don't love taking a rt at 14 but I do think the guy will succeed at rt with the saints.
It's just not often you have your pick of the top defensive guy at 14. I honestly hope they tried to trade back and few spots. Murphy even would've been a nice pick.
I bet when the saints are on the clock a good tackle will be available.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 9:23 am to Chalkywhite84
My guys were Latu and Murphy, so I was somewhat tickled they literally went the next 2 picks,.
The Colts drafting Latu tells me a lot, because they value RAS and athleticism more than even we do, and they thought he was the pick at edge, which says a lot to me.
The Colts drafting Latu tells me a lot, because they value RAS and athleticism more than even we do, and they thought he was the pick at edge, which says a lot to me.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 9:33 am to GynoSandberg
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I think Saldiveri has been tagged inside for good.
Oh, I definitely think you're right here. I think they desperately want him to win the LG job and win it this year.
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Guess who Fuaga’s closest comp is based of size and athleticism?
Interesting. Maybe one day they wind up our starting guards. I still don't understand the Ruiz pick if we weren't planning on him playing center and moving McCoy to guard. (Was it mainly due to COVID and Ruiz not having time to work enough with Drew, so they just said "frick it" and kept McCoy there for familiarity in Drew's dying days?) Ruiz just looks too small for a guard. But we're committed now after his extension. And he's not terrible, but he's not great either, Bob.
But with the Penning bust, we literally could not afford another 1st rounder on the OL. We had to take the "safe" bet, mainly meaning a guy that is 100% an NFL starter on the OL. The "bet" was that he could play tackle. It couldn't have been that he might not be able to play at all. frick it. Draft another one in the 2nd, sign Peat, and let the new coaches shuffle them around until they find the best group.
The new coaches and the new scheme is a bit of a wild card, though. Everybody kinda gets a clean slate, and they may value different traits at different positions than where we have guys. You'd have to think they had input into which OL to take last night. I'm sure y'all are much more informed than me, though, on who fits best where in the new zone blocking scheme. I'm sure there are comps from the guys they had in San Fran and Minnesota
Posted on 4/26/24 at 9:35 am to SlowFlowPro
Colts seem to know d line talent. Ballard had a decent eye for talent.
Maybe the saints wouldn't have been able to grab a tackle in the 2nd round. There was a big run on them.
I like penei sewell's cousin, the tackle from byu. He might not be there when the saints pick.
I just think the saints should've tried and sign leno Jr so they could go bpa in draft. They need help at end.
Maybe the saints wouldn't have been able to grab a tackle in the 2nd round. There was a big run on them.
I like penei sewell's cousin, the tackle from byu. He might not be there when the saints pick.
I just think the saints should've tried and sign leno Jr so they could go bpa in draft. They need help at end.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 9:38 am to Damone
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They also had two available DBs and two DL ranked ahead of Fuaga
Who fricking cares? If he’s a good OT, then the pick was a successful one. Drafting is not an exact science and so it is very frivolous and nonsensical to argue the difference between a guy you think should have gone at 14 and a guy you think should have gone at 18.
How do people not get this? If drafting was an exact science, Mel Kiper and Todd McShay wouldn’t whiff on as many picks as they do, and half of the 1st round picks wouldn’t turn out to be busts every year.
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