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re: Danny Masterson Sentenced To 30 Years In Prison After Rape Convictions
Posted on 9/7/23 at 3:09 pm to Oilfieldbiology
Posted on 9/7/23 at 3:09 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Damn, there must have been some pretty compelling evidence to convict a guy 20 years later of rape.
Some dude just got 22 years for January 6th and he wasn't even at the Capitol.
Meanwhile, BLM burned cities and a ton of them are on video doing it but none of them are serving lengthy sentences.
Evidence is no longer needed in our kangaroo court system
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 3:11 pm
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Posted on 9/7/23 at 3:14 pm to stout
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Evidence is no longer needed in our kangaroo court system
Yep. Hurt someone's feelings and they'll throw you in jail for eternity.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 3:16 pm to jatilen
He'd better Hyde his hole.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 3:17 pm to idlewatcher
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So you give him a pass because he was a "good guy" for 20 years after raping someone?
given the fact that it's all he said she said, yes.
if there was actual evidence of the rape, then by all means, sentence him to the max 30 years.
What just happened today could happen to anyone. Some random woman i never met before could claim i raped her 20 years ago. She could come up with a great story and have others corroborate the story with her. While i insist i did not even have sex with her, much less rape her, she could have a great ironclad story to tell that is able to be backed up with some small details that make it believable. She could prove that i went a specific place, and maybe even prove that i was drunk. That could be easily done just by looking at a bank statement or credit card. She could have all of this story laid out, and no physical evidence whatsoever, and still get me convicted for 30 years? frick that.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 3:18 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:If you think it's likely enough that he raped them that you also think he should be jailed for it, I'm not sure what your objection to the sentence is since you admittedly believe he's guilty.
I think it's highly likely he did rape them, and he should go to jail. 30 years just seems unbelievable to me in this situation.
I understand objecting to 30 years if you don't believe the evidence was compelling but that's not your objection.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 3:18 pm to TDTOM
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your actions 20 years ago were criminal
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This should not be allowed.
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TDTOM
just confess. It’s not healthy to hold your guilt in forever.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 3:19 pm to jatilen
Seems like a real shite head, but man convicting people with basically no physic evidence is a tough one in my book.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 3:20 pm to jatilen
If the alleged victims were adults at the time of the events, there should be a limitations period. It is a grave injustice to not have one (as California apparently does not). There was a mistrial in the first case. I have a feeling that his participation in an unpopular cult was a factor in his conviction.
"You can report your rape whenever" is a bad legal standard.
"You can report your rape whenever" is a bad legal standard.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 3:25 pm to jatilen
Civil suite filed yet?
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 9/7/23 at 3:26 pm to Oilfieldbiology
Him and the Scientology people were stalking these accusers and threatening them. I think one of em killed the accusers dog or cat or something. I’m not saying I agree with the verdict, I haven’t really been following the case but i remember seeing an article about the stalking stuff awhile back
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Posted on 9/7/23 at 3:30 pm to stout
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Evidence is no longer needed in our kangaroo court system
Yup. Accusations are now convictions in the good ole USA.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 3:31 pm to northshorebamaman
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If you think it's likely enough that he raped them that you also think he should be jailed for it, I'm not sure what your objection to the sentence is since you admittedly believe he's guilty.
B/c there are people that murder people that don't get convicted for that long. that's why, and there's no physical evidence, just he said she said, and he's been criminal free for 20 years now (i assume).
You put people in jail b/c of their actions/crimes, but more so b/c they are a threat to society. He's lived for 20 years without being a threat to commit violent acts, so i assume. that should count for something.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 3:35 pm to TDsngumbo
quote:And if you were accused by someone’s daughter(s) of rape then convicted and given 30 to life 20 years later based solely on testimony you’d be thrilled. Hopefully at least some of that testimony was proven true. It’s hard to get that conviction even if the offense happens today and all protocols are followed. This isn’t a civil trial. They could have gone after him and the “church” for intimidation as well. Hope they do.
If it were your daughter that was raped 20 years ago, you'd be thrilled.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 3:37 pm to TeddyPadillac
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i know when i get raped, i like to report it to my church first, not the police, or friends, or family.
even if we just assume he was guilty of this, he's lived for 20 years being a normal and good citizen that hasn't gotten in trouble with the law. Yet he's going to go to prison for a he said she said 20 years after the fact for rape, for probably twice as long as the average murderer goes to prison for. I"m not saying he shouldn't go to jail, but 30 years is just ridiculous. 3 would have been more than enough given his history of being a good person for the last 20 years.
I don't really agree, but I do think it's messy.
If you claim you were raped in 2004, take a 400k payout, and then wait 15+ years to pursue a criminal claim - I'm not sure how we should handle that.
I think he likely did rape her, and her being victimized by Scientology is very likely true too, but ultimately her being in a cult and taking a payoff prejudiced the system's ability to conclusively determine the truth for well over a decade.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 3:45 pm to jatilen
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Danny Masterson Sentenced To 30 Years In Prison After Rape Convictions
Yikes. That is bad paperwork.
Prison will be a tough go for him. Prayers sent.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 3:46 pm to jatilen
My faith in Scientology has been shook.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 3:46 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:This is the only logical argument you can make to support your position so good on you for owning it. I don't believe that simply getting away with certain crimes like rape, murder, or child molestation should afford someone leniency if eventually convicted so I don't agree with you, but I get your argument.
He's lived for 20 years without being a threat to commit violent acts, so i assume. that should count for something.
I haven't followed the trial and I have no idea what was presented other than what I've read here, so I don't have a clue as to his guilt, but I find it troubling that someone can be convicted of rape based solely on testimony. I was just curious as to your reasoning since you do seem to believe he's guilty.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 4:02 pm to TeddyPadillac
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What just happened today could happen to anyone. Some random woman i never met before could claim i raped her 20 years ago. She could come up with a great story and have others corroborate the story with her. While i insist i did not even have sex with her, much less rape her, she could have a great ironclad story to tell that is able to be backed up with some small details that make it believable. She could prove that i went a specific place, and maybe even prove that i was drunk. That could be easily done just by looking at a bank statement or credit card. She could have all of this story laid out, and no physical evidence whatsoever, and still get me convicted for 30 years? frick that.
Absolutely agree
Its a slippery slope
Posted on 9/7/23 at 4:07 pm to northshorebamaman
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but I find it troubling that someone can be convicted of rape based solely on testimony.
Agreed. Think about it this way. By convicting someone based on accusation alone you are now telling defense team’s that it’s now their responsibility to prove the victims are lying. Also puts pressure on the defendant to have take the stand and tell their side. 20 years later in this case! Our system doesn’t work that way.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 4:13 pm to jatilen
With the jury votes below in the first trial, seems to me like he should have been acquitted then and not have a mistrial.
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The jurors told the downtown LA courtroom this afternoon that they were deeply divided on all three counts. On Count 1, it was 10-2 for not guilty; Count 2 saw eight going for not guilty, four for guilty; and Count 3 was seven for not guilty, five for guilty.
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