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re: Have you ever had to fire someone over their pets?
Posted on 4/12/24 at 8:23 am to sleepytime
Posted on 4/12/24 at 8:23 am to sleepytime
She should get a job at a shelter or dog rescue. Problem solved
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Posted on 4/12/24 at 8:23 am to BabyTac
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Typical younger generation mentality.
She's easily mid 40's.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 8:23 am to dhuck20
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Not sure of the extent or circumstances of the conversation you have had but perhaps she doesn’t realize her job is in jeopardy. If she is a good employee and performed well in the past, she could be worth an extra conversation where the stakes are explicitly stated.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 8:25 am to sleepytime
You wouldn't be firing her over her pets.
You'd be firing her over her performance.
She dealt the hand. She has to play it.
You'd be firing her over her performance.
She dealt the hand. She has to play it.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 8:28 am to dhuck20
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Not sure of the extent or circumstances of the conversation you have had but perhaps she doesn’t realize her job is in jeopardy. If she is a good employee and performed well in the past, she could be worth an extra conversation where the stakes are explicitly stated.
This. I hate doing them, but throw together a PiP for her with an expectation of turning it around in 30/60 days. If she does great, then you get to keep a valuable employee. If she doesn’t change, or changes temporarily; you have the paperwork in place to make termination easier
Posted on 4/12/24 at 8:31 am to dhuck20
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Not sure of the extent or circumstances of the conversation you have had but perhaps she doesn’t realize her job is in jeopardy. If she is a good employee and performed well in the past, she could be worth an extra conversation where the stakes are explicitly stated.
The way I understand the situation is that she's been warned several times. She tells her manager that there are people looking at the dogs and they will be adopted any day now. There were a few instances after the warnings that she had nebulous health issues and had to leave early but not bad enough to go to the doctor. I think it was migraines or something.... manager was suspicious
Posted on 4/12/24 at 8:35 am to dhuck20
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Not sure of the extent or circumstances of the conversation you have had but perhaps she doesn’t realize her job is in jeopardy. If she is a good employee and performed well in the past, she could be worth an extra conversation where the stakes are explicitly stated.
Agree with this too - she may be emotionally attached to these dogs and trying to do the right thing but isn’t paying attention to reality. She seems to have a moral compass to foster these dogs so have conversation about what is at stake and give her the opportunity to respond on what she can do to either get more help from the Rescue organization she is affiliated with so she is able to return a normal schedule.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 8:36 am to Weekend Warrior79
PiPs are a delayed death sentence at this company. We do everything we can before putting them on a PiP and if we have to put them on one, you might as well cut the cord.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 8:38 am to sleepytime
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We tried talking with her about her work but those dogs are like her world
They aren't even her dogs
Posted on 4/12/24 at 8:39 am to sleepytime
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She's probably going to be let go soon. I feel bad because she's a nice person and doing a noble thing but it's putting everyone else in a bind. What else can be done?
In case anyone is wondering, yes, she has tattoos and the dogs are non breed of peace mutts. No pics obviously.
For her sake, after fired hopefully she can find a job where she can take care of dogs and make a living. But in her current job it sounds like her pets are taking away from her job responsibilities. For the sake of the business that job role needs, the role needs to be filled by someone that can perform the duties required.
If this cancer is not excised it could metastasize and spread to other positions and then the entire business is full of cancer and dies.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 8:40 am to BabyTac
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Typical younger generation mentality. Their personal interest always are prioritized over work.
- work from home means running errands all throughout the day, taking calls from the park or a patio, 50% engagement during work hours.
You are a huge proponent of "work from home" yet you seem to now realize why so many are against it. I recall many posts of yours lamenting old managers who just want "butts in seats".
Posted on 4/12/24 at 8:43 am to sleepytime
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Company policy is that if you work for more than half a day, you don't have to take PTO abusing the policy IMO because she's missing 5-12 hours per week and not having to take PTO.
Sounds like you’re upset with a policy that you or your higher ups put in place. That’s the policy as written? Sounds like she’s not breaking any rule.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 8:55 am to TackySweater
She's not in trouble for possible abusing the policy, she's in trouble her work not being done. It is upsetting when someone is abusing the policy!
Her coworkers are having to pick up the slack and if the policy gets changed because it's being abused, the rest of us are going to suffer for her actions.
Her coworkers are having to pick up the slack and if the policy gets changed because it's being abused, the rest of us are going to suffer for her actions.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 8:55 am to TackySweater
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Sounds like she’s not breaking any rule.
If her work performance is shitty, then the fricking rule doesn't matter. She could be working 60 hours a week.
And just because you aren't taking PTO, doesn't mean you aren't breaking rules. PTO is just a mechanism to pay you for your time off. Not taking PTO isn't some magic wand to let you miss work whenever you want.
This post was edited on 4/12/24 at 8:56 am
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:05 am to sleepytime
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She's not in trouble for possible abusing the policy, she's in trouble her work not being done.
Any sort of policy or procedures in place when work performance goes down?
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:07 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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And just because you aren't taking PTO, doesn't mean you aren't breaking rules.
If the rule allows it, then what rule is she breaking? Sounds like their policy should have been clearer or had restrictions in it to prevent abuse.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:08 am to sleepytime
This is hard because I've rescued a few dogs over the years and they were just terrific. I loved those dogs. I would rescue three more now if I could because that breed is really sweet if a bit high maintenance.
But I recognized this "high maintenance" aspect. I know my wife would shoot me if I leaned on her for supporting a third/fourth dog in terms of just hours to do vet visits and walks. I also recognized it would cost me a whole lot every year. And I recognized my work might suffer. So I don't do it.
But I see how some folks cannot say no and then they cave and bring two more home. I have friends with 4-6 dogs.
But I recognized this "high maintenance" aspect. I know my wife would shoot me if I leaned on her for supporting a third/fourth dog in terms of just hours to do vet visits and walks. I also recognized it would cost me a whole lot every year. And I recognized my work might suffer. So I don't do it.
But I see how some folks cannot say no and then they cave and bring two more home. I have friends with 4-6 dogs.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:12 am to tadman
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But I see how some folks cannot say no and then they cave and bring two more home. I have friends with 4-6 dogs.
So that explains the gutter punks on decatur that have multiple dogs
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:14 am to TackySweater
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If the rule allows it, then what rule is she breaking? Sounds like their policy should have been clearer or had restrictions in it to prevent abuse.
Idk. People like this employee are what leads to rules being so specific and covering everything, to the point of micromanaging and treating everyone like children. I’m of the opinion that for most things, it’s not a problem unless it’s a problem. Some people just tiptoe right up to the edge of the line. I’m with the people who say put her on a PIP.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:15 am to Pikes Peak Tiger
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Weather she’s nice
It is nice out today
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