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Posted on 4/19/24 at 12:31 pm to Scruffy
Posted on 4/19/24 at 12:32 pm to AUriptide
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Because we are so far away from
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powerless women in a patriarchal society, loss of female agency and individuality, suppression of women's reproductive rights, and the various means by which women resist and try to gain individuality and independence.
It’s not even funny
Posted on 4/19/24 at 12:34 pm to bad93ex
Orwell looks like a prophet at this point.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 12:34 pm to Scruffy
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Closer to 1984, but it is a combo of 1984 and A Brave New World.
Probably closer to the environment of “The Hunger Games” if you view The Capital as America, and the Districts as different countries around the world.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 12:42 pm to Oilfieldbiology
quote:Not even close.
Probably closer to the environment of “The Hunger Games” if you view The Capital as America, and the Districts as different countries around the world.
It really is A Brave New World, if you consider them all.
Essentially a caste system in the USA (socioeconomic delineation, rather than genetic).
Society pacified through drugs and pleasurable distractions.
The 1984 comparison appears when you consider the elements of the monitoring the government performs and the “tribalism” to maintain the status quo.
It is just a mixture between the two.
I think ABNW would be easier to manage from a governmental position, but a combo of the two is perfect.
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 4/19/24 at 12:45 pm to bad93ex
Animal Farm/1984
Posted on 4/19/24 at 12:46 pm to Saunson69
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US has more gold medals at the olympics than any other country has in total medals (gold, silver, and bronze combined)
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US spends as much as or close to on military than the entire rest of world combined
This isnt a good thing
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People want to move here so bad, that we only accept 3% of green card applications
Meanwhile millions walk across the border every year with no fear and use our free resources
Posted on 4/19/24 at 12:48 pm to 3nOut
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we're closer to Hunger Games than Handmaid's Tale.
Upon further review...TOUCHDOWN!
If the OP's original request, "Which dystopian world is more congruent with our current reality?", we seem to be at the precipice of a "Hunger Games" scenario.
Much like 'Hunger Games' Sociopath-Elites (from upon their perch at the Globalist UN Mount Olympus), our WEF Overlords relish their demoralization and demolition of a powerless middle class struggling to survive in a lawless society, now having to compete against 3rd Worlders to make a living in an imminent "Dog-Eat-Dog" dystopia.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 12:50 pm to Scruffy
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Not even close.
Ignore the entire gladiatorial games as a source of tribute and just look at the economic environment.
The capital is incredibly rich, with standards of living orders of magnitudes higher than any of the other districts, where people dress in the most absurd fashion, wear the most absurd makeup/tattoos, and have virtually no sense of how well they live. They view the people from other districts as oddities and parlor tricks, while all at the same time consuming massively disproportionate amounts of natural resources produced by the other districts.
It’s actually a lot like the US from that standpoint.
However, BNW and 1984 are absolutely spot on from a governmental/political standpoint.
Eta
I just saw the post above mine. frick
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 4/19/24 at 12:54 pm to Oilfieldbiology
quote:Yea, I can see that, especially from a cultural standpoint.
The capital is incredibly rich, with standards of living orders of magnitudes higher than any of the other districts, where people dress in the most absurd fashion, wear the most absurd makeup/tattoos, and have virtually no sense of how well they live. They view the people from other districts as oddities and parlor tricks, while all at the same time consuming massively disproportionate amounts of natural resources produced by the other districts.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 12:55 pm to bad93ex
Brave New World
Posted on 4/19/24 at 1:08 pm to Scruffy
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while a 1984 surveillance state is not, at least not applicable to the USA yet. It is more applicable to the UK.
Unless, of course, we are The Proles, and our good friend Winston represents something along the lines of a low-level State Department worker. Archiving the internet is no longer done to the extend it was in the 2010s. There’s far more digital content and less print than ever.
No, we aren’t at threat of gathering and burning all the books, but control and manipulation of information in today’s age makes me think that in a lot of ways, the chocolate ration was increased to 20 grams this week when it was 30 last week.
I’ll also clarify that I’ve never read A Brave New World and have only made it halfway through 1984 (currently reading it, so there’s a ton of recency bias on my part).
Posted on 4/19/24 at 1:12 pm to white perch
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Idiocracy
1984+ Blade Runner + Idiocracy pretty much sums up our direction.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 1:12 pm to WaterLink
Woah, when did we get ability to embed YouTube videos in a post?
Posted on 4/19/24 at 1:27 pm to Hopeful Doc
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I’ll also clarify that I’ve never read A Brave New World and have only made it halfway through 1984 (currently reading it, so there’s a ton of recency bias on my part).
Finish 1984 and get to ABNW right after. The themes are pretty similar but the means are totally different.
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We were keeping our eye on 1984. When the year came and the prophecy didn't, thoughtful Americans sang softly in praise of themselves. The roots of liberal democracy had held. Wherever else the terror had happened, we, at least, had not been visited by Orwellian nightmares.
But we had forgotten that alongside Orwell's dark vision, there was another - slightly older, slightly less well known, equally chilling: Aldous Huxley's Brave New World. Contrary to common belief even among the educated, Huxley and Orwell did not prophesy the same thing. Orwell warns that we will be overcome by an externally imposed oppression. But in Huxley's vision, no Big Brother is required to deprive people of their autonomy, maturity and history. As he saw it, people will come to love their oppression, to adore the technologies that undo their capacities to think.
What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one. Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information. Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to passivity and egoism. Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us. Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance. Orwell feared we would become a captive culture. Huxley feared we would become a trivial culture, preoccupied with some equivalent of the feelies, the orgy porgy, and the centrifugal bumblepuppy. As Huxley remarked in Brave New World Revisited, the civil libertarians and rationalists who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny "failed to take into account man's almost infinite appetite for distractions." In 1984, Orwell added, people are controlled by inflicting pain. In Brave New World, they are controlled by inflicting pleasure. In short, Orwell feared that what we fear will ruin us. Huxley feared that what we desire will ruin us.
This book is about the possibility that Huxley, not Orwell, was right.
~ Neil Postman, "Amusing Ourselves to Death", 1985
Posted on 4/19/24 at 2:14 pm to Scruffy
Combination of brave new world and Idiocracy.
At some point the dream of social mobility became unlikely, if it ever really existed.
At some point the dream of social mobility became unlikely, if it ever really existed.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 2:32 pm to bad93ex
For me it's 1984. I'm old enough to remember when that book was listed as fiction.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 3:28 pm to WaterLink
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Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to passivity and egoism. Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us. Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance. Orwell feared we would become a captive culture. Huxley feared we would become a trivial culture, preoccupied with some equivalent of the feelies, the orgy porgy, and the centrifugal bumblepuppy. As Huxley remarked in Brave New World Revisited, the civil libertarians and rationalists who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny "failed to take into account man's almost infinite appetite for distractions." In 1984, Orwell added, people are controlled by inflicting pain. In Brave New World, they are controlled by inflicting pleasure. In short, Orwell feared that what we fear will ruin us. Huxley feared that what we desire will ruin us.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 3:49 pm to OWLFAN86
I like money.
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