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re: Louisiana congressional map creating new majority-Black district ruled unconstitutional
Posted on 5/1/24 at 1:19 pm to teke184
Posted on 5/1/24 at 1:19 pm to teke184
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If Graves hadn’t fricked around and found out with Scalise and Johnson, this might have been irrelevant. Pissing off one powerful politician in your state isn’t great. Pissing off three of them end up as Governor, Speaker of the House, and House Majority Leader is just fricking stupid.
After all, we should support redistricting being based on juvenile personal grievances. Right?
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Posted on 5/1/24 at 1:20 pm to Indefatigable
As a key strategy? No.
But if you have to frick one of three people over, the one who just made a ton of enemies tends to be the easiest target.
But if you have to frick one of three people over, the one who just made a ton of enemies tends to be the easiest target.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 1:21 pm to Indefatigable
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Even then, it’s really not an issue to draw coherent maps. In fact it’s very easy. They just choose not to.
There's certainly "better" map options out there, but the reality is they are still not going to be terribly concise, becuase the black population is too spread out.
I mean, the current LA-2 is not exactly a concise district in any way.
Having a minority district around NOLA and one around BR is going to result in both districts barely passing over the minority threshhold.
So yes, we can do better, but this is always going to be an issue. We can't have tight districts AND minority districts based on the current resident patterns of this state.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 1:22 pm to teke184
That position only makes my broader point. None of that shite has any place in determining district lines.
I have no respect for anyone that is that petty.
I have no respect for anyone that is that petty.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 1:23 pm to cgrand
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The unusual shape of the district reflects an effort to incorporate as much of the dispersed Black population as was necessary to create a majority-Black district,
That's literally gerrymandering
Wtf is going on man
Posted on 5/1/24 at 1:24 pm to Indefatigable
You do you.
I am realistic about politics enough to know that when someone is going to get squeezed out for some reason, it ends up being either the least senior politician or the one who has pissed someone off.
Landry himself lost his seat to this about 10 years ago because he was the least senior member when the state lost a district.
I am realistic about politics enough to know that when someone is going to get squeezed out for some reason, it ends up being either the least senior politician or the one who has pissed someone off.
Landry himself lost his seat to this about 10 years ago because he was the least senior member when the state lost a district.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 1:24 pm to teke184
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But if you have to frick one of three people over, the one who just made a ton of enemies tends to be the easiest target.
Leave it to LA to do the easiest thing, instead of the right thing.
If you had two very equal options and one of them would involve screwing Graves, fine.
But you have two very unequal options, and you went with the one screwing Graves, even though it was by far the worst option.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 1:24 pm to LSUFanHouston
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the reality is they are still not going to be terribly concise, becuase the black population is too spread out.
Simply untrue. There is a map in this thread that is geographically concise and follows the ludicrous racial requirements.
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I mean, the current LA-2 is not exactly a concise district in any way.
The current map is also an abomination and an affront to representative government.
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Having a minority district around NOLA and one around BR is going to result in both districts barely passing over the minority threshhold.
And?
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We can't have tight districts AND minority districts based on the current resident patterns of this state.
Again, demonstrably false. What we can’t have is those two things PLUS protecting incumbents, which should not be a consideration under any circumstance.
This post was edited on 5/1/24 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 5/1/24 at 1:27 pm to teke184
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I am realistic about politics enough to know that when someone is going to get squeezed out for some reason, it ends up being either the least senior politician or the one who has pissed someone off.
Oh I fully understand the nonsense.
I don’t understand why anyone would attempt to justify it.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 1:29 pm to Indefatigable
quote:right on
Again, demonstrably false. What we can’t have is those two things PLUS protecting incumbents, which should not be a consideration under any circumstance.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 1:35 pm to Indefatigable
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Having a minority district around NOLA and one around BR is going to result in both districts barely passing over the minority threshhold.
And?
White republicans nor Black democrats want that so it will have to be court ordered for that to pass.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 1:38 pm to ryanlsu
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White republicans nor Black democrats want that so it will have to be court ordered for that to pass.
Which is exactly why the legislature is the problem and shouldn’t be involved in the process at this point.
“Our shitty politicians don’t like it” is not the same thing as “it can’t be done” or “it’s hard to draw lines”.
This post was edited on 5/1/24 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 5/1/24 at 1:41 pm to teke184
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On top of that, we have an unusually shaped state. Iowa is damn near a rectangle so there aren’t geographic problems with that.
This is a shitty excuse to support racism.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 1:43 pm to dgnx6
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This is a shitty excuse to support racism.
The “Louisiana isn’t a perfect square so logical district lines just can’t be drawn” is the laziest excuse in this thread so far. It’s total nonsense and completely false.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 1:45 pm to dgnx6
I don’t want minority-majority districts, I want realistic districts.
But if the courts are going to force minority-majority districts, shape them as best you can.
TBH, I hope this results in the whole process getting thrown out because there is no realistic way to get two black majority districts that meet the criteria required.
It couldn’t be done in the mid-90s because of all the frickery to get the second district and it isn’t any better today.
But if the courts are going to force minority-majority districts, shape them as best you can.
TBH, I hope this results in the whole process getting thrown out because there is no realistic way to get two black majority districts that meet the criteria required.
It couldn’t be done in the mid-90s because of all the frickery to get the second district and it isn’t any better today.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 1:47 pm to teke184
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But if the courts are going to force minority-majority districts, shape them as best you can.
There’s a map on page two of this thread that complies with federal court rulings.
Why is that not the map? It can’t be because that map jeopardizes Letlow’s seat (our most junior representative) instead of Graves’ seat (who Jeff Landry doesn’t like) can it?
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there is no realistic way to get two black majority districts that meet the criteria required.
Again, totally false.
This post was edited on 5/1/24 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 5/1/24 at 1:48 pm to cgrand
Stick to ballot harvesting dems. Gerrymandering is for the GOP
Posted on 5/1/24 at 1:56 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Having a minority district around NOLA and one around BR is going to result in both districts barely passing over the minority threshhold.
If this is what needs to happen and checks the marks then I don’t see the issue.
The Mississippi Delta is majority black, all 500 of those people. That will help get those numbers over if you group them with the EBR district
Posted on 5/1/24 at 1:59 pm to Indefatigable
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Simply untrue. There is a map in this thread that is geographically concise and follows the ludicrous racial requirements.
We may have different definitions, but that map is clearly superior, that cannot be argued.
The idea that "one third of the state is black, so one third of the districts must be a minority" is a terrible one. Districts are meant to represent geographic areas, not race.
If all we care about is race, then we should have six at large congressmen, with two of the six positions only allowing minorities to qualify.
There is NO district that can be tightly drawn and racially based, in this state. There are some that come closer than others, but none of them are pure.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 2:01 pm to whoa
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If this is what needs to happen and checks the marks then I don’t see the issue.
That will be the next complaint from the left... it's not minority enough!!
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