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Abortion - State’s Right
Posted on 4/8/24 at 6:48 am
Posted on 4/8/24 at 6:48 am
Trump’s message on Truth stated no Federal mandate, it must remain a state’s right. Which was the reason to drop R v W.
How do y’all think Dems will spin this?
How do y’all think Dems will spin this?
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Posted on 4/8/24 at 6:58 am to SoFlaGuy
I approve of this message 
Posted on 4/8/24 at 7:01 am to themunch
We all should!
Posted on 4/8/24 at 7:06 am to SoFlaGuy
I don't know if the guy who was on here last week touting Trump as the loudest voice protecting the unborn will approve of it.
Of course, I told him that Trump has no actual principles that he advocates policy in the context of and that loud voice could quiet down real quick (which it did.)
But I'm sure it won't bother him at all and he'll pivot just as quickly as Trump did.
Of course, I told him that Trump has no actual principles that he advocates policy in the context of and that loud voice could quiet down real quick (which it did.)
But I'm sure it won't bother him at all and he'll pivot just as quickly as Trump did.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 7:07 am to SoFlaGuy
They will sell it as if it's an existing amendment to the constitution that the GOP is trying to rescind.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 7:09 am to Macfly
I did a thread a couple weeks ago about how he was talking about a national ban, so it's good to see him get it right now. He is being pummelled in ads about this.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 7:10 am to SoFlaGuy
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Trump’s message on Truth stated no Federal mandate, it must remain a state’s right. Which was the reason to drop R v W.
How do y’all think Dems will spin this?
That Trump is trying to take away women's right to any and all healthcare, force them back into the kitchen and never allow them to leave the house.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 7:10 am to Bunk Moreland
Trump is very malleable on policies. I'm curious how the hardcore pro-lifers react to him giving up on a national ban. They are pretty absolutist on this issue, typically.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 7:16 am to SoFlaGuy
He's right.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 7:17 am to SoFlaGuy
Thought this was a separate post from the one on the OT.
This post was edited on 4/8/24 at 7:18 am
Posted on 4/8/24 at 7:18 am to SoFlaGuy
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"How will the Left spin this?"
They are going to keep telling women that Trump is Anti-abortion. It's one of Democrats main tactics for keeping women on the plantation.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 7:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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Trump is very malleable on policies. I'm curious how the hardcore pro-lifers react to him giving up on a national ban. They are pretty absolutist on this issue, typically
He just needs to tell them to read Dobbs. Pretty well explains it.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 7:24 am to udtiger
Dobbs doesn't preclude a potential federal action.
Dobbs just said the reasoning behind Roe was faulty (it was) and with no Congressional act, there is nothing to give fedgov the authority. Kavanaugh explicitly references the lack of a Congressional statute in his concurrence.
There is a big misconception that Dobbs ruled that abortion was a state issue, but that wasn't the ruling and it only became a state issue because the only federal authority (Roe) was removed from the equation. The default scenario pre-Roe was state-based, so the scheme post-Dobbs returned to that.
Dobbs just said the reasoning behind Roe was faulty (it was) and with no Congressional act, there is nothing to give fedgov the authority. Kavanaugh explicitly references the lack of a Congressional statute in his concurrence.
There is a big misconception that Dobbs ruled that abortion was a state issue, but that wasn't the ruling and it only became a state issue because the only federal authority (Roe) was removed from the equation. The default scenario pre-Roe was state-based, so the scheme post-Dobbs returned to that.
This post was edited on 4/8/24 at 7:26 am
Posted on 4/8/24 at 7:31 am to SlowFlowPro
The only scheme was to kill babies/
Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:13 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
There is a big misconception that Dobbs ruled that abortion was a state issue, but that wasn't the ruling and it only became a state issue because the only federal authority (Roe) was removed from the equation. The default scenario pre-Roe was state-based, so the scheme post-Dobbs returned to that.
There is a substantial question whether a law passed by Congress on this issue would be constitutional.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:17 am to udtiger
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There is a substantial question whether a law passed by Congress on this issue would be constitutional.
Potentially, but that's an entirely different discussion that wouldn't involve Dobbs at all.
However, since there are already federal statutes on the books relating to murder, I find it hard that one based around abortion would somehow cross the line of our current IC interpretations....especially when you consider all the implements of interstate commerce involved in the procedures (medical equipment, drugs, etc.).
Fedgov already regulates many areas of healthcare pretty substantially....also they could always just backdoor it like the LA drinking age issue. Tie abortion to federal funds related to health care. No state in the US could survive without Medicaid and Medicare dollars.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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No state in the US could survive without Medicaid and Medicare dollars
Many would like to try, but Medicaid is required (states have zero to do with Medicare).
As it is required, the feds would be barred from such action. Contract of adhesion and all that jazz.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:56 am to udtiger
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states have zero to do with Medicare
They spend Medicare money
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As it is required, the feds would be barred from such action. Contract of adhesion and all that jazz.
Like DOT funds?
Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:58 am to SoFlaGuy
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How do y’all think Dems will spin this?
" HES LITERALLY HITLER OMG OMG OMG "
Posted on 4/8/24 at 10:02 am to SoFlaGuy
for those who believe that abortion is murder, and I do, then does it follow that murder is a state's right issue as well
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