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re: Budget comparisons between St George & other Louisiana cities
Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:33 pm to LSURussian
Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:33 pm to LSURussian
Did you in your trained analysis give a break down of where the moneys in each example are being spent and generated? The cost of a policeman will be offset by the elimination of money to the sheriffs office at present. The cost of fire protection is already a burden dealt with internally by the area. What ever improvements are needed can be dealt with easily enough issuance of bonds to mitigate the one time investments needed.
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:38 pm to NorthEnd
quote:Because....
My point is--if we have to build schools, why is that?
1) All of the magnet school students who live in SG who now attend a magnet school elsewhere in the EBR system will have to relocate to a SG school. They won't be eligible to attend the EBR magnet schools.
2) Many students who live in the SG area will no longer be allowed to attend schools in EBR which are closer to them now than the SG schools are. They will have to travel further to get to school than they do now. (Three quick examples are the high school students who live north of Fla Blvd and attend Belaire High School, some who attend Tara but live outside the BR city limits and the students in the Gardere area who attend Magnolia Woods, Mayfair Elementary and Highland Elementary.)
3) There is an assumption that a significant number of students who now attend private schools will migrate to the SG schools. I don't know if that assumption is correct but that has been the argument of many on this board who claim they will move their kids out of private schools to the SG schools. I personally doubt that will happen for many students because they won't want to leave their friends who will stay in their private school.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:38 pm to dewster
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Some of their students are bused to mid city for middle school
Which school?
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Tara for high school. Legit concern
Yea, I just looked at Tara's attendance zone and there is a small sliver on the east side that should probably either go to Broadmoor (which they likely don't want) or Woodlawn. Whenever Lee High reopens seems like the boundaries would get better because the Woodlawn would be losing a good number of kids back to Lee High and would have room to absorb some kids in that area from the Tara.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:40 pm to LSURussian
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So what they say at meetings is not consistent with what they have on their official website. What does that tell you about them?
Anybody else see a difference in the following?
"Taxes shouldn’t have to be raised to support a new city."
"Taxes will not have to be raised to support a new city."
Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:43 pm to LSURussian
quote:How many students do you estimate this to be?
All of the magnet school students who live in SG who now attend a magnet school elsewhere in the EBR system will have to relocate to a SG school. They won't be eligible to attend the EBR magnet schools.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:44 pm to dewster
quote:I did. I posted the data in my spreadsheet in the OP although I had to rearrange the presentation of the data just because copying and pasting from a spreadsheet onto a TD page turns the data into a jumble of almost indecipherable numbers.
How transparent of you. You've given out great info in some of the money board threads. I'm sure your spreadsheet isn't that far off. Why don't you share them?
Why are you being so sarcastic about it?
Just to satisfy you, here is the entire spreadsheet copied and pasted.
quote:Feel better?
City Population Annual Budget Budget/Capita Area (sq miles land) Budget/Sq Mile Baker* 13,890 $11,828,849 $852 8.5 $1,391,629 Zachary 15,099 $14,402,029 $954 23.7 $607,681 Bossier City*** 64,655 $73,163,541 $1,132 43.2 $1,694,777 Lake Charles 71,993 $63,922,612 $888 42.1 $1,518,352 Monroe**** 49,156 $55,300,000 $1,125 28.7 $1,926,829 Average 42,959 $43,723,406 $990 29.2 $1,427,854 St George 107,000 $60,297,728 $564 85.0 $709,385 Projected SG $105,928,679 $903 $121,367,562 Increase over budget 76% 101.3% *Actual expenditures for 2012/2013 ** Proposed budget 2013/2014 *** Actual 12/31/12 audit. General fund + capital expenditures but excludes water and sewer expenses. **** 2013 budget Port Allen** 5,101 $7,100,000 $1,392 2.1 $3,380,952.38
Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:44 pm to Asgard Device
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you won't specify what increased services you are expecting to receive.
Has this been addressed yet?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:47 pm to LSURussian
quote:I think that would happen, but it would be a very slow move? I think a huge majority of students currently in private schools would end up graduating from private schools.
There is an assumption that a significant number of students who now attend private schools will migrate to the SG schools. I don't know if that assumption is correct but that has been the argument of many on this board who claim they will move their kids out of private schools to the SG schools. I personally doubt that will happen for many students because they won't want to leave their friends who will stay in their private school.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:49 pm to urinetrouble
quote:Correct.
Whenever Lee High reopens seems like the boundaries would get better because the Woodlawn would be losing a good number of kids back to Lee High and would have room to absorb some kids in that area from the Tara.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:52 pm to LSURussian
Isnt EBR putting an end to bussing students across the parish?
Once Lee High is returned back to normal use, what would be different, other than not sending your best across town to magnets like BRMHS?
I personally think schools should be large enough to absorb magnet students and offer AP classes for them. I'd prefer this to completely isolating them.
Once Lee High is returned back to normal use, what would be different, other than not sending your best across town to magnets like BRMHS?
I personally think schools should be large enough to absorb magnet students and offer AP classes for them. I'd prefer this to completely isolating them.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:54 pm to LSURussian
If SG was to go through, am I wrong to assume that of the taxes I pay to EPR, a percentage of those taxes would still go to EBR and the other percentage would go to SG? Or would all of my parish taxes stay the same and I would have to pay new taxes to SG? Does this question even make sense? 
Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:55 pm to sec13rowBBseat28
quote:If you know of a way to access the information of what students attend what magnet schools and where those students live, please let me know and I'll compile the data.
All of the magnet school students who live in SG who now attend a magnet school elsewhere in the EBR system will have to relocate to a SG school. They won't be eligible to attend the EBR magnet schools.
How many students do you estimate this to be?
I remember several parents of magnet school students at one of the SG organizational meetings were quoted in the paper that they were going to organize a group of parents whose kids attend an EBR magnet school to oppose the new city and school district. I have never seen any estimates of how many students that would include.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:03 pm to LSURussian
quote:No clue, how many students attend BRHS?
If you know of a way to access the information of what students attend what magnet schools and where those students live, please let me know and I'll compile the data.
1500 total students, no clue how many come from st george
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:04 pm to LSURussian
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The St George 'budget' is so lacking in details I don't know what it really includes. Just look at the "Public Services" line. It's a mystery what all it includes or how the numbers were derived.
But yet you worked all morning reviewing other city's budgets so you could run a comparative analysis ot the St. George budget.
Who is being disingenuous here?
I knew right away why St. George's budget is relatively small, and other budgets would likely be much larger because I live in St. George and I know I pay property milleages for fire, garbage, etc and that I pay a separate bill for sewer services.
You don't live in St. George I suspect because you really don't know what we pay now.
But I will say your point about reviewing the numbers is a fair one. too often people do get misled, and before anyone votes they should try and find out exactly what they are voting for.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:05 pm to LSURussian
Thank you for this.
It's more light than heat, which is often not the case.
It's more light than heat, which is often not the case.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:07 pm to sec13rowBBseat28
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Does this question even make sense?
It makes sense but it's one I'm not qualified to answer. I think the "opposition" group will probably explain those things once they get organized and start making some public announcements. I know the garbage collection services are paid for partly (because the EBR general fund subsidizes some garbage collection services) by a parish wide monthly garbage fee included with the water bill from Baton Rouge Water, Co. The same for the sewer fees.
The question I have is are those fees somehow based on a combined volume or can they stand alone regardless of the volume? The garbage collection is privatized using Waste Management (I believe) to collect household garbage, recyclables and debris.
If SG were to form its own city would the garbage rates remain the same for them or would Waste Management (or whoever) want to negotiate a separate fee structure based on the spread out geographical area (85 sq miles, which is larger than the city limits of Baton Rouge, 79 sq miles) of St George?
The sewer fees are a bigger mystery to me. EBR is under an EPA consent decree to upgrade the sewer collection and processing system and the sewer collection fees to pay for the upgrade at set by the city parish council. How would a new SG governing body handle sewer fees and would the EBR city parish council allow SG fees to be the same as the city residents' fees? I don't know the answer to that.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:08 pm to LSURussian
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quote:St. George won't be providing fire protection, garbage pick up, sewer treatment or any of the other services which are already provided by other organizations.What? I mean.......WHAT?!?
That's because St. George already has fire districts which are supported by property taxes we pay. The city of St. George wouldn't be in the fire business just like EBR Parish isn't now in the rural areas.
The same thing applies to sewerage. We pay a sewer fee to support the sewer system that is a parish wide system. We would continue to support the system just as we are now.
Our garbage pick up is paid fopr by property taxes also. That would continue as is and the city of St. George wouldn't be in the garbage business.
I don't think you have a clue as to how things work out here in the sticks.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:11 pm to Asgard Device
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Isnt EBR putting an end to bussing students across the parish
go look at the attendance zones. people out by Runnels are in the Tara district. So are people in downtown BR and in University Club.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:17 pm to LSURussian
quote:Well, I don't know and understand it, but it would have to be explained to me and it would have to make sense before I would vote yes for SG. I signed the petition so it would all be brought out and debated on both sides. I look forward to that. At the very least, hopefully this SG movement will wake everyone up and demand better from our leaders.
it's one I'm not qualified to answer.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:19 pm to LSURussian
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I know the garbage collection services are paid for partly (because the EBR general fund subsidizes some garbage collection services) by a parish wide monthly garbage fee included with the water bill from Baton Rouge Water, Co. The same for the sewer fees
You know people in what is touted to be St. George do pay in to the General Fund too? And we all pay property taxes for garbage service and sewer user fees.
I don't think Central City has its own garbage pick up or sewer services. I suspect St. George wouldn't either.
Go review the Central budget, I bet they have nothing for fire, sewer, or garbage either. Run a comparison on their budget and it would be more like what St. George wants to do.
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