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re: Dr Fauci: Prepare for 100k Americans to die
Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:29 am to Volvagia
Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:29 am to Volvagia
quote:oh my word. i found who the dem govs are listening to. this is definitely a missing the forest for the trees kind of perspective
when applied to a number THAT big(>160 million), it works out to over 800k dead
Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:31 am to Dr Rosenrosen
quote:exactly. people on the beaches in cali and fla up until a few days ago. parades in nola. house parties in my neighborhood.
I assure you it's not just because the government put everyone on house arrest
Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:31 am to Azkiger
quote:yeah this response isn't really floating anymore
Imagine how much worse it would have been if we didn't do isolation measures
Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:33 am to Azkiger
quote:
Imagine how much worse it would have been if we didn't do isolation measures
12.5% worse,
Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:34 am to Azkiger
quote:missing a ton of context here
I hope so, but seeing as we had 748 die today alone it doesn't seem outlandish
Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:36 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
quote:
Now, why isn’t the media and others asking China for their real numbers because the ones on record now are bullshite.
No way Italy has more deaths than Wuhan, much less the entire country of China.
The 2018 flu season caused 80,000 deaths in the US.
If the deaths remain 100,000 or lower, then it was a little worse than the 2018 flu; however, it was business as usual for the flu. Everything is shut down for the KungFlu.
If hydroxychloroquine/Z-Pack/Zinc combo works, then everyone under 65 should go back to work like normal. Let the older ones or people with pre-existing conditions self-quarantine. Obesity is a pre-existing condition, so about 30% of the US would still need to quarantine.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:37 am to bfniii
I believe that Volvagia works in virology or a related field. If there's anything I've learned from all of this, it's that they can't model effectively at all. The models have been absurdly terrible, and for some of the more renowned people in the field like Ferguson, terribly inaccurate models is a trend. Not sure how he has credibility at this point.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:40 am to Azkiger
quote:exactly! so why are we shutting down the entire country when a literal handful of hotspots are the ones having a problem? why shut down all of la when nola is 65% of all cases in la? none of this response makes any sense. no hospital systems are being overloaded. the media has been caught using footage from italy to make hospitals look worse. and these numbers are all with basically 0% medications being used nationwide
Lives and dollars were going to get lost no matter which path you chose
first, i hope we learn some valuable lessons on how to NOT react next time
second there are going to be some killer civics lessons when this is over:
citizenry giving up freedom
state govs lying about their situation to get federal $
govt growing during a crisis through stimulus
stimulus going to all sorts of waste
congress trying to pass pet projects under cover of a crisis
Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:44 am to MusclesofBrussels
quote:it's not so much the models themselves but the application of the models. someone needs to be standing back and looking at the big picture instead of getting caught in the weeds like every other chicken little sky is falling hysterical person. the prez looked good on this for a while but has caved some in the last few days pushing the cornteen further out
they can't model effectively at all
it makes no sense that someone can look at the current, real stats and say the entire country needs to be shut down. it's absurd
Posted on 4/1/20 at 1:02 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
quote:
Okay, let’s go with his assertion being right based on a model with current data.
The first thing they need to do is stop looking at fricking models and deal with the crisis at hand. They are making decisions based on what someone thinks might happen instead of what is happening. Think of it in terms on of the D Day invasion. The planners and the experts spent a tremendous amount of time preparing for what might happen, the number of casualties, and every other little detail. That was their job. However, to the guys storming the beach none of that was relevant. The only thing that mattered was staying alive and getting off the beach. So with all due respect to Dr Fauci, he needs to STFU with his estimations. The time for models and forecasts has long since passed (we are on the beach). He needs to focus all of his energy into helping medical professions defeat this virus, not pontificating on whether we have 20, 60, 100 or 200k dead.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 1:33 am to Tigerbait357
quote:No. Trump has said that 100k deaths is a job well done.
Aren’t they saying this is the worst case scenario?
Posted on 4/1/20 at 1:44 am to mmcgrath
Yeah, worse case 2.2million per the chart Trump presented today
Posted on 4/1/20 at 1:47 am to mmcgrath
quote:
No. Trump has said that 100k deaths is a job well done.
100K would be a huge success
Posted on 4/1/20 at 2:19 am to mmcgrath
All that intelligence in the threads above you and this is the only shite you can add
I am calling it now
The next democrat president is going to use this shite for global warming because that is also a crisis based on worst case models
I am calling it now
The next democrat president is going to use this shite for global warming because that is also a crisis based on worst case models
Posted on 4/1/20 at 2:21 am to gthog61
That's one of the biggest concerns about this situation
Increasing the power of government
Increasing the power of government
Posted on 4/1/20 at 4:36 am to Dr Rosenrosen
quote:
Two words: herd immunity.
We were never going to reach 1-2MM fatalities, regardless.
I've heard this from a few doctors.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 6:00 am to Volvagia
quote:
You remove all government social distancing mandates coast to coast and reopen everything tomorrow, 1-2 million comes back into play.
We could have done nothing and we would not have reached 1 million deaths. One has to be easily fooled to think anywhere close to 2 million people would die from this in the US. Outside of the spanish flu, smallpox, and the plague, no pandemic has killed much over 2 million in the entire world over the span of a year in about 450 years. To think this would kill 2 million in the most developed country is absurd.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 6:03 am to TenWheelsForJesus
quote:
We could have done nothing and we would not have reached 1 million deaths. One has to be easily fooled to think anywhere close to 2 million people would die from this in the US. Outside of the spanish flu, smallpox, and the plague, no pandemic has killed much over 2 million in the entire world over the span of a year in about 450 years. To think this would kill 2 million in the most developed country is absurd.
Umm
Let's rethink this
Posted on 4/1/20 at 6:48 am to bfniii
quote:
hy are we shutting down the entire country when a literal handful of hotspots are the ones having a problem? why shut down all of la when nola is 65% of all cases in la? none of this response makes any sense.
Three weeks it wasn't a problem in New Orleans . They had exactly 1 case. Three weeks ago New York state only had a few dozen, almost none of which were in NYC. Today those are the biggest hotspots in the country. Wouldn't they have been better off shutting it all down on March 9th as opposed to waiting that extra week and a half? You shut stuff down in the seemingly placid areas now to prepare for three weeks from now. There is limited value in waiting until there is a hotspot, but at the point, it's too late to easily control.
Here is a prediction. The next state you'll be hearing a ton about in about 10 days is Georgia. Not a hotspot right now. They'll issue at some point a blanket stay at hoe order - but it'll be 2-3 weeks too late.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 6:50 am to IronmanHTX
How are we supposed to be preparing?
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