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re: Easy fix to the background check issue
Posted on 9/6/19 at 3:16 pm to texridder
Posted on 9/6/19 at 3:16 pm to texridder
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The Supreme Court in Heller specifically said that the right to bear arms was not unlimited.
This is just a dumb comment. You're applying the far end of the spectrum..."So you think you can have a tank??".. with the basic right to own a basic gun.
You people!
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Posted on 9/6/19 at 3:19 pm to dukkbill
quote:Actually, I was being facetious with the satellite thing.
Simple. Satellite images.
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Probably not technically feasible. However, what if the federal government hired a bunch of people to go door-to-door to ask questions about voter eligibility, such as citizenship, date of birth, and any other requirements imposed by the Federal Voter registration act (as from time to time amended) and applicable state law. If the person is eligible and desires to vote, they could take their picture, and have them fill out a form for a REAL Id? That might be economicially feasible every 10 years. In the interim, private organizations could be authorized to do similar type items (subject to federal qualification) and be funded with charitable contributions?
That certainly could work, but it would be a huge endeavor. And costly.
The 2010 census cost $13 billion, approximately $42 per capita (believe it or not). Not sure how much the ID thing would add to that, but its obviously not going to happen this time around.
(Of course, we could always just easily divert some of the military budget to pay for it. But we would need congressional approval to do that).
Posted on 9/6/19 at 3:30 pm to texridder
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The 2010 census cost $13 billion, approximately $42 per capita (believe it or not). Not sure how much the ID thing would add to that, but its obviously not going to happen this time around.
The 2006 estimate for REAL Id costs was 13 billion with about 60% of that for re-enrollment costs. That means about 5 billion in infrastructure cost for the program. Personnel are already deployed for the walk-arounds (and that is only a fraction of the census cost). Arming them with a camera or just letting them use their own camera would seem to be a small increment.
These monies are rounding errors in federal budgets. Outside of these efforts, the feds have been very successful having private contractors do the roving vans and airport kiosks for TSA Pre-check. That service pays for itself, but its also a small budgetary number if the only barrier is providing registration means for the underserved populations.
I haven't found good numbers, but private organizations spend significant amounts on GOTV efforts. No reason those same organizations can get onto the Register for REAL ID - RRID campaigns. That's going to be particularly important based on the other uses for that particular item.
Posted on 9/6/19 at 3:32 pm to Strannix
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Federal real ID tied to citizenship, voting and all gun transfers.
frick that.
Posted on 9/6/19 at 5:03 pm to dukkbill
quote:It seems to me that this is pretty heavy on the virtue signalling. Also, a little heavy-handed to judge a new church member by their value ($) to the church.
Why would that bother you? Did she make a commotion or interfere in your worship? My experiences may be limited, but I presume that most would be happy to have another member of the congregation, and even happier if that person could help contribute to the church mission through deed or contribution.
quote:If you paid attention to my post, you would have already figured that out.
Did you offer her a ride?
quote:In keeping with your level of virtue signalling, of course I offered her a ride every week. (Actually, the church was out of town, so I didn't go to that church again for about a year).
More important, did you offer her a ride in subsequent weeks for the service?
quote:Is that really the most important thing in real life or just for the purposes of your post? For virtue signalling purposes, of course I would.
Most important, would you offer her a ride to get a REAL Id?
quote:50% virtue signalling; 50% CSB -- so no response required.
I have in the past. I've walked even farther for other things that were important to me. I doubt there are many situations where I'd have to do that now, and in fairness, seriously doubt I'd have to walk at all (and if I did no more than 1/2 mile) to properly take care of any item needed to exercise my constitutional right to vote. I'm also happy to help others that would be eligible to vote do the same if they weren't able.
Posted on 9/6/19 at 5:09 pm to dukkbill
quote:Damn. I never heard so much about this. Not sure how you know this, but it's useful information.
The 2006 estimate for REAL Id costs was 13 billion with about 60% of that for re-enrollment costs. That means about 5 billion in infrastructure cost for the program. Personnel are already deployed for the walk-arounds (and that is only a fraction of the census cost). Arming them with a camera or just letting them use their own camera would seem to be a small increment.
These monies are rounding errors in federal budgets. Outside of these efforts, the feds have been very successful having private contractors do the roving vans and airport kiosks for TSA Pre-check. That service pays for itself, but its also a small budgetary number if the only barrier is providing registration means for the underserved populations.
I haven't found good numbers, but private organizations spend significant amounts on GOTV efforts. No reason those same organizations can get onto the Register for REAL ID - RRID campaigns. That's going to be particularly important based on the other uses for that particular item.
Posted on 9/6/19 at 5:19 pm to Pigimus Prime
The Constitution is a document of negative liberties. It’s lays out what the FED cannot do. Exactly right that is a very important, often forgotten fact.
Posted on 9/6/19 at 5:20 pm to texridder
quote:
For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
And what is the equal and opposite relation of one’s rights being unlawfully infringed by big brother?
Posted on 9/6/19 at 5:21 pm to bhtigerfan
quote:Yea, the first thing I asked her was whether she was to stupid or too poor to get an ID? Speaking of stupid ... congrats on that stupid question.
Did you ask her if she was too stupid or poor to get an ID?
quote:Speaking of being too stupid ... that's just not that tough a question.
And what the frick does that have to do with getting an ID?
Posted on 9/6/19 at 5:29 pm to Dale51
quote:I was specifically replying to someone who said the right should be unlimited.
This is just a dumb comment. You're applying the far end of the spectrum..."So you think you can have a tank??".. with the basic right to own a basic gun.
Based on that, your comment is imbecilic.
Posted on 9/6/19 at 5:35 pm to Douboy
quote:OK dickwad, why don't you explain just exactly how my answer proved his point.
And your dumb arse doesn’t even realize you are proving his point.
I'll hang up and wait for you not to respond.
Posted on 9/6/19 at 5:38 pm to CDawson
quote:More info needed.
And what is the equal and opposite relation of one’s rights being unlawfully infringed by big brother?
Which right is being unlawfully infringed and how exactly is it being infringed?
Posted on 9/6/19 at 5:51 pm to bhtigerfan
quote:
I’ll translate texridder’s quote for you:
“Blacks are too stupid and poor to be able to get an ID on their own. Therefore us white liberal saviors must provide them.”
I did not say anything about blacks, jackass. There are poor blacks and poor whites who would be hindered from voting if an ID would be required.
The fact that you assumed I was talking only about blacks says a lot about where you're coming from, doesn't it?
Posted on 9/6/19 at 5:54 pm to texridder
quote:ok
There are poor blacks and poor whites who would be hindered from voting if an ID would be required.
Posted on 9/6/19 at 5:59 pm to texridder
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It seems to me that this is pretty heavy on the virtue signalling
I don't chan so I may not know what that term means, but I don't know how a measure of my happiness or other's happiness relates to virtuous. In fact, by your next comment, it seems you are scolding me for a lack of virtue.
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Also, a little heavy-handed to judge a new church member by their value ($) to the church.
I've spent a very long time analyzing situations, and trying to maximize people and resources. I'm not sure you can manage or govern without doing those things, but I'm neither Henry Ford nor Ronald Reagan-- my opinion on that is not relevant. What is relevant would be recognizing that estimating value to a common cause is much different than valuing someone's worth as an individual, and that in no way does the former connote that you are denying someone a service.
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...information
Real ID Impact Report
TSA Mobile precheck article
Identgo
Posted on 9/6/19 at 7:39 pm to texridder
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I was specifically replying to someone who said the right should be unlimited.
As long as you haven't given up the right, it should be.
Posted on 9/7/19 at 11:26 am to Diamondawg
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So someone that just got out of prison for assault with a deadly weapon
If they are still a danger why are they out of prison?
Posted on 9/7/19 at 2:03 pm to weagle99
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Too many of you are accepting the premise that government permission is needed before exercising a Constitutional right.
It’s a God-given right
Posted on 9/7/19 at 3:28 pm to texridder
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eligible to vote
The definition of this phrase changes based on the state so...
no.
Posted on 9/7/19 at 3:37 pm to jimmy the leg
Voting should be barred to anyone that’s a net fiscal negative.
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