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Is the political divide between Dims/Groomers and America First/MAGA unbridgeable?
Posted on 8/22/23 at 8:06 pm
Posted on 8/22/23 at 8:06 pm
I've said on numerous occasions I believe the political divide between Dims and America First/MAGA may be too wide to overcome, after listening to this Bill Maher and Vivek Ramaswany discussion on Youtube, my opinion hasn't changed, my opinion is even stronger now. There are some on this forum who believe Maher has moderated a bit over the past few years but I will link the vid and you can decide. If Maher is a the current representation of an old school liberal then the political divide is the size of the fricking Grand Canyon.
The complete discussion is worth listening to and to be honest Vivek had a rather weak showing in my opinion . Vivek allows Maher to present his Gaslight Media version of the Trump/Russia collusion hoax by claiming the FBI had every right to target Papadopoulos as a Russian operative to prevent Russia from subverting the 2016 election. Maher gets Vivek to admit there was no evidence of election irregularities, shenanigans, rigging in 2020 and on and on.
The bottom line is clear, if Maher is the most rational sample of a current liberal there is no damn way this nation is ever coming together outside of a national calamity, maybe a global war or an invasion from extraterrestrials.
The good stuff starts at the 24:00 mark. Another good bite is at the 11:45 mark where Maher is asking Vivek if he knows who he's talking to? Maher goes on to tell Vivek that he's politically informed so don't try to pull excrement from your azz. Where it got immediately crazy was right after Maher told Vivek he was politically informed Vivek brings up the FBI harassing the parents going to school board meetings and said he did not know about that.
Bill Maher and Vivek Ramaswamy talking politics
The complete discussion is worth listening to and to be honest Vivek had a rather weak showing in my opinion . Vivek allows Maher to present his Gaslight Media version of the Trump/Russia collusion hoax by claiming the FBI had every right to target Papadopoulos as a Russian operative to prevent Russia from subverting the 2016 election. Maher gets Vivek to admit there was no evidence of election irregularities, shenanigans, rigging in 2020 and on and on.
The bottom line is clear, if Maher is the most rational sample of a current liberal there is no damn way this nation is ever coming together outside of a national calamity, maybe a global war or an invasion from extraterrestrials.
The good stuff starts at the 24:00 mark. Another good bite is at the 11:45 mark where Maher is asking Vivek if he knows who he's talking to? Maher goes on to tell Vivek that he's politically informed so don't try to pull excrement from your azz. Where it got immediately crazy was right after Maher told Vivek he was politically informed Vivek brings up the FBI harassing the parents going to school board meetings and said he did not know about that.
Bill Maher and Vivek Ramaswamy talking politics
Posted on 8/22/23 at 8:09 pm to Bass Tiger
It entirely depends on how you define "Dims/Groomers" and "America First/MAGA"
Lots of union baws Democrats voted for Trump
Lots of lifelong Republicans voted for Biden
Doesn't seen that "unbridgeable"
Lots of union baws Democrats voted for Trump
Lots of lifelong Republicans voted for Biden
Doesn't seen that "unbridgeable"
Posted on 8/22/23 at 8:11 pm to Bass Tiger
I think so. The Dems are a shameful stain on the moral fabric of our nation.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 8:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
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It entirely depends on how you define "Dims/Groomers" and "America First/MAGA"
Lots of union baws Democrats voted for Trump
Lots of lifelong Republicans voted for Biden
Doesn't seen that "unbridgeable"
I can't find a Biden voter.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 8:12 pm to Bass Tiger
Odds are Ramaswamy will be donating to ActBlue again in 2 years
Posted on 8/22/23 at 8:12 pm to LRB1967
Dims/Groomers and MAGA vs. rational conservatives
That is the fight
That is the fight
Posted on 8/22/23 at 8:12 pm to Bass Tiger
Yes.
One side wants us dead. Also people like Crèmepie do as well. Not a good recipe for co-existing
One side wants us dead. Also people like Crèmepie do as well. Not a good recipe for co-existing
Posted on 8/22/23 at 8:13 pm to Bass Tiger
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Maher gets Vivek to admit there was no evidence of election irregularities, shenanigans, rigging in 2020 and on and on.
The Trumper obsession with Vivian will continue apace.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 8:18 pm to Bass Tiger
Just because Maher changed the production company’s name from Kid Love to his own, and doesn’t sport red shoes..let’s not get carried away.
Maher will never be anything but Leftist, even if he has tried to pump his show’s audience’s brakes on their landslide lurch to lunacy.
Maher will never be anything but Leftist, even if he has tried to pump his show’s audience’s brakes on their landslide lurch to lunacy.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 8:20 pm to the808bass
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The Trumper obsession with Vivian will continue apace.
The OP has nothing to do with Vivek, it's about many people believing Maher is a rational old school liberal, in reality he's as chewed up with TDS as the most insane Groomer. Dude still believes Russia stole the 2016 election and that Trump was serious when Trump asked Putin if he was listening to find the missing Hilldawg emails.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 8:20 pm to Bass Tiger
Egalitarian ideology is incompatible with the Constitutional Principle/Individual God given Rights version of governance. It's a zero sum game as one's gain is the other's loss.
The Transnational Progressive Elitists movement deems it critical to the advancement of Humanity (lest it self-destruct competing for relative affluence) that access to basic goods and services be managed via an 'equitable' System. Their stated goal is to move from an economic model of "Consumption and Production" to one of "Caring and Sharing". I.e., "you will own nothing and be happy".
Such being, where is the "bridgeable" re that struggle for power and "fundamental change"? "Engineered collapse" is coming with the open Border being the impetus for such, and on to Digital Currency/AI powered ESG and total control. A lot of us think it's Spiritual, and will shake out along Biblical prophetic lines. We'll know soon.
The Transnational Progressive Elitists movement deems it critical to the advancement of Humanity (lest it self-destruct competing for relative affluence) that access to basic goods and services be managed via an 'equitable' System. Their stated goal is to move from an economic model of "Consumption and Production" to one of "Caring and Sharing". I.e., "you will own nothing and be happy".
Such being, where is the "bridgeable" re that struggle for power and "fundamental change"? "Engineered collapse" is coming with the open Border being the impetus for such, and on to Digital Currency/AI powered ESG and total control. A lot of us think it's Spiritual, and will shake out along Biblical prophetic lines. We'll know soon.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 8:21 pm to Bass Tiger
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The OP has nothing to do with Vivek,
And yet you posted a lot about Viv in the OP. I made an inconvenient point. You would be better off not highlighting it.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 8:25 pm to aubie101
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Dims/Groomers and MAGA vs. rational conservatives
Rational conservatives...Pence? McCarthy? McConnell? Kasich? Christie? Cheney? Bush? Kinzinger? Romney? Thune? Crenshaw? Cornyn? There's a lot of Swampy rational conservatives....it's a fricking long list.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 8:27 pm to the808bass
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And yet you posted a lot about Viv in the OP. I made an inconvenient point. You would be better off not highlighting it.
Vivek was the one being interviewed by Maher. Maybe you didn't notice but I was not pumping Vivek at all. I said Vivek got worked by Maher, he had a mediocre showing.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 8:27 pm to Bass Tiger
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Rational conservatives...Pence? McCarthy? McConnell? Kasich? Christie? Cheney? Bush? Kinzinger? Romney? Thune? Crenshaw? Cornyn? There's a lot of Swampy rational conservatives....it's a fricking long list.
Connected to Trump at one time or another
Posted on 8/22/23 at 8:33 pm to TheRoarRestoredInBR
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Just because Maher changed the production company’s name from Kid Love to his own, and doesn’t sport red shoes..let’s not get carried away.
Maher will never be anything but Leftist, even if he has tried to pump his show’s audience’s brakes on their landslide lurch to lunacy.
I think you're making my point.
There are people who believe Maher is an old school liberal and those types of liberals are people conservatives can coexist with, but even Maher is delusional with what he believes to be the truth....you have to listen to the discussion to understand what I'm talking about. If Maher is the most rational example of people on the left there is no coexisting with people whose worldviews are so opposite of America First/MAGA.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 8:34 pm to jlnoles79
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Rational conservatives...Pence? McCarthy? McConnell? Kasich? Christie? Cheney? Bush? Kinzinger? Romney? Thune? Crenshaw? Cornyn? There's a lot of Swampy rational conservatives....it's a fricking long list.
Connected to Trump at one time or another
At one time....smoked'm out too.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 8:36 pm to Bass Tiger
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At one time....smoked'm out too.
The same way he exposed the deep state
Posted on 8/22/23 at 8:48 pm to jlnoles79
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At one time....smoked'm out too.
The same way he exposed the deep state
Before Trump I thought I knew how bad the entrenched corruption was but since Trump's arrival on the political stage .....I've been somewhat slack jawed how bad it truly is and it's because they've exposed themselves in the pursuit of destroying Trump.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 8:51 pm to Bass Tiger
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Before Trump I thought I knew how bad the entrenched corruption was but since Trump's arrival on the political stage .....I've been somewhat slack jawed how bad it truly is and it's because they've exposed themselves in the pursuit of destroying Trump.
Trump admitted to appointing Chris Wray because Dems liked him.
When it truly mattered Trump was a pussy in office
This post was edited on 8/22/23 at 8:53 pm
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