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Posted on 4/12/20 at 8:31 am to Wolfhound45
quote:USAF
BUMED? You sly dog. I never knew I had a Navy compadre
Posted on 4/12/20 at 8:35 am to NC_Tigah
I love you Air Force types, every time we need a ride you give us one
(shamelessly taken from A Few Good Men)
Have a wonderful day my brother
(shamelessly taken from A Few Good Men)
Have a wonderful day my brother
Posted on 4/12/20 at 8:44 am to NC_Tigah
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He asked why Crozier had circumvented his authority, and Crozier responded he thought Baker would not agree with the decision. He was correct. Baker should have removed him then and there. LINK
If that is the actual case (did not read the LINK) then he should be court-martialed. And the C/O should be required to explain why he didn't immediately remove him form his position.
One or the other of them should be sanctioned.
Posted on 4/12/20 at 8:51 am to ChineseBandit58
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If that is the actual case (did not read the LINK)
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Thursday morning. At 7 a.m., Modly called Rear Adm. Stuart Baker, the commander of the Roosevelt’s multi-ship strike group and Crozier’s immediate superior. Modly said he asked Baker if he had known that Crozier would be sending the impassioned memo, and the strike group commander answered: “No. It arrived in my email inbox.” There had been no prior discussion or consultation about the message, Baker said.
Baker told Modly that he pressed Crozier why he hadn’t cleared the sensitive message or wide distribution group in advance. According to Modly, Crozier answered that “he worried Baker would not let him send it to that broad a group.” Baker affirmed to Modly: “He was right. I wouldn’t.”
Posted on 4/12/20 at 8:59 am to Lakeboy7
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Probably kept him out of Vietnam.
Dear Lord, you keep showing everybody how ignorant you really are. It’s like you want to show this board what the epitome of a low IQ enlisted man (AKA bullet sponge) acts like and why the military needs officers.
Posted on 4/12/20 at 9:02 am to Lakeboy7
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quote: Royal Tiger Fan, served in reactor department on Nimitz so I can only imagine what y'all are going through. My opinion isn't popular here but I think the Capt did the right thing. I am not privy to what departments this thing was ravaging but from what I know if it was reactor you could have some serious readiness issues if 50-60 people suddenly can't stand watch or do maintenance. What is boils down to is their are core people who are vital to making that big ship run and losing certain key personnel could make trying to execute the ships mission near impossible. My gut feeling is that the Capt was getting dangerously close to that limit so reached out to get some help. Most people here don't have any clue how close the quarters are on board. Every thing is tight. Most enlisted bearthing areas are 3 racks high in a bunk bed arrangement so there are 6 people living/sleep within about 3 feet of each other. I'm actually shocked and surprised with the incubation period for the virus that more of the crew didn't have it. Capt did right even if it cost him his job. IMO if Trump was smart he would reinstate the Capt and put him back in command. All you nuclear aircraft carrier command experts need to read this.
Hmmm, how many MEUs are floating right now? The Jarheads have more confined spaces.....yet nary a word is leaked from the MEU! All these apologists for Crozier need to reflect on this.
Posted on 4/12/20 at 9:07 am to 14&Counting
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Modly told sailors their fired captain was 'naive' and 'stupid'
His parents wanted to give him their Slavic family name Anus until someone told them what it meant in English. So his siblings just affectionately call him Butthole.
Posted on 4/12/20 at 9:09 am to NC_Tigah
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So again, we may be taking past each other. But what you are describing sounds like a Navy issue. Unless I'm missing something, the base commander, and/or hospital command were not doing their job. I understand the bitterness directed at the civilian political type. It is justified But the Navy does not seem to have its act together here. Sounds like the carrier and base structures operate in parallel but not cooperatively. At some point in the CofC those two parallel structures merge. That is the point where an officer needs to step up and lead. What we can't have is a running public press tally of various US carriers suddenly offline.
This may be one of the best write ups thus far!
Posted on 4/12/20 at 9:13 am to Royal Tiger Fan
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We DID NOT get the Virus in Vietnam. We were out sea for a couple of weeks with no issues. Also another ship pulled in with us; they have no cases. We suspect the virus was brought onboard from new people we received from the US - after we left Vietnam.
Which shouldn’t have been happening. The DoD had put a hold on all transfers by this time. Then again I have always been shocked that the Navy transfers people on and off deployed ships. You should only have transfers like the Marines, while off deployment.
Posted on 4/12/20 at 9:32 am to ABearsFanNMS
That WaPo articles makes the entire Navy chain of command look like clowns:
This quote /\ shows SecNav is you typical Beltway Warrior. His first concern was not the welfare of his sailors or mission. It was what will my boss say.....SMDH,
Hell, if I was the SecNav this action above would have been grounds to relieve the entire Chain of Command. If these guys can’t work together and focus on the mssion when bullets aren’t flying then how can you expect them to operate when they are in contact. Fire all of them, call the Fleet Commander and say “you are next if you don’t stop dragging your feet and get the situation unfricked”! And to the “but they were moving them onto cots” crew....WTF....it is the damn military not the damn Ritz.
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“I didn’t want to get into a decision where the president would feel that he had to intervene because the Navy couldn’t be decisive,” Modly told me in a telephone call from Hawaii at about 1 a.m. Sunday, Washington time. He continued: “If I were president, and I saw a commanding officer of a ship exercising such poor judgment, I would be asking why the leadership of the Navy wasn’t taking action itself."
This quote /\ shows SecNav is you typical Beltway Warrior. His first concern was not the welfare of his sailors or mission. It was what will my boss say.....SMDH,
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The climax came Thursday morning. At 7 a.m., Modly called Rear Adm. Stuart Baker, the commander of the Roosevelt’s multi-ship strike group and Crozier’s immediate superior. Modly said he asked Baker if he had known that Crozier would be sending the impassioned memo, and the strike group commander answered: “No. It arrived in my email inbox.” There had been no prior discussion or consultation about the message, Baker said. Baker told Modly that he pressed Crozier why he hadn’t cleared the sensitive message or wide distribution group in advance. According to Modly, Crozier answered that “he worried Baker would not let him send it to that broad a group.” Baker affirmed to Modly: “He was right. I wouldn’t.”
Hell, if I was the SecNav this action above would have been grounds to relieve the entire Chain of Command. If these guys can’t work together and focus on the mssion when bullets aren’t flying then how can you expect them to operate when they are in contact. Fire all of them, call the Fleet Commander and say “you are next if you don’t stop dragging your feet and get the situation unfricked”! And to the “but they were moving them onto cots” crew....WTF....it is the damn military not the damn Ritz.
Posted on 4/12/20 at 10:37 am to Royal Tiger Fan
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I'm on this boat. The only problem on this ship is the coronovirus.
We had been on deployment for 3 months with no liberty incidents. thats the sign of a disciplined ship.
Thanks for a reasonable common sense reply.
I was once on a submarine with a skipper, Captain Strong, who was 100% behind his crew. We all respected the man.
Political hacks get no respect.
Posted on 4/12/20 at 11:08 am to TigerB8
which one is it trumpkin. china, Hillary, soros, Obama, gates. according to you guys everything is because of this group.
Posted on 4/12/20 at 11:50 am to Toddy
You are a gigantic pussy.
Posted on 4/12/20 at 12:19 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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if I was the SecNav this action above would have been grounds to relieve the entire Chain of Command
This
Posted on 4/12/20 at 12:24 pm to DucTape
He is not gigantic 
Posted on 4/12/20 at 12:26 pm to Royal Tiger Fan
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I'm serving to defend the free press that you are reading/watching getting the information from.
Been there done that...and thank you for your service.
It shouldn't be a secret from the public that we are stricken with something that is hitting everyone.
We will have to agree to disagree on this point.
It would raise more questions as to having explain why a carrier away from its homeport on deployment is not out to see and most of the crew as left the ship. Wouldn't you, as a tax payer, be saying WTF?
As a tax payer, I shouldn't be saying anything other than thank you for your service...as I assume you are fulfilling your duty.
There is no need to mix the civilian and military world unless the words "sedition" or "treason" are used in relation to non-military personnel in conjunction with military personnel. They are two separate worlds.
Just my .02.
Posted on 4/12/20 at 12:27 pm to 56lsu
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which one is it trumpkin. china, Hillary, soros, Obama, gates. according to you guys everything is because of this group.
China flu...final answer.
Posted on 4/12/20 at 8:12 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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But the Navy does not seem to have its act together here.
fricking understatement of the year
Posted on 4/12/20 at 8:19 pm to monsterballads
Crozier made the mistake of going ahead with the port visit to Vietnam. He could have called it off but with the intel he was receiving from his chain he was being told it was ok to do so. That was his worst mistake. Same thing as trump being told by fauci that this covid 19 stuff was not going to be a problem and it was just like the flu. Crozier and trump both got bad advice in hindsight. Crozier saw the consequences of visiting Vietnam and was trying to get someone to listen to him to help but felt like he wasn’t getting any help from his chain of command. He made mistakes but was also put into a position to fail. If he tries to stay in the chain of command and no one does anything he has potentially dead sailors on his hands and an injected confined ship of people that would ABSOLUTELY affect his ships readiness. As someone who has been on deployments and has been through an Onboard virus I can tell you that it is a fricking terrifying feeling seeing everyone puking in the pways while youre giving IV’s to them.
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