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Posted on 1/10/23 at 9:04 am to NCAAFootballGenius
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We are in a delayed democracy. The politicians appoint the judges. Do you think the 9th circuit court follows the constitution?
No system of government works well if the system isn’t followed. At the end of the day it’s about the people doing their sworn duty and upholding the Constitution.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 9:21 am to riverparish
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disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside
its pathetic you need to worry over this when trump is facing criminal charges.
im never replying to disinfectant references again.
i see he meant disinfectant injection (a bad idea) and not bleach specifically. ok.
and btw i see he was thinking out loud for ideas. i respect that.
This post was edited on 1/10/23 at 9:26 am
Posted on 1/10/23 at 9:46 am to burger bearcat
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Should 49% of a country's population have to submit to 51%?
For all the talk about "democracy", let's say Brazil and America's elections were actually 'legitimate" (they were not). Even if so, they were only by a slim majority.
To what extent does "democracy" supersede the rights of the 49%? If Lula is instituting a Chavez like regime. Why wouldn't Brazilian Patriots attempt to overthrow it? Just because 51% of the people want the other 49% in abject slavery, that means they should just have submit to it?
I've been saying this for a while. I really do think there was a time as Americans, we are generally on the same page. Yes, both "sides" may have disagreed about how to get there, but both generally agreed in the greatness of the American nation, freedom, liberty, etc. It would have been like living in Lafayette and both wanting to go to New Orleans, and one group took I-10 and the other Hwy 90.
Today, as The Democrats have been completely taken over by the extreme wing and this shift has forced moderates to move to The Left as the Overton Window has gone in that direction, there is now a WIDE gap between both sides that are not being served. Even IF people on The Right who REALLY DID govern that way won elections in 2024 and took full control, The Left is suddenly in this same boat.
It's a recipe for perpetual unhappiness. We are no longer wanting the same things out of life, for the country or even have the same perception of our country's past, present, and future in mind. We are in ever sense of the word "incompatible" with each other and it's time to, as much as possible, amicably end this.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 9:56 am to Lsupimp
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Federalism bruh. The Founders had it right. The UnFounders unfortunately murdered it circa 2008 or so.
Outside of the presidency (and SCOTUS through proxy) though we operate in strict representational democracy, elected via majority in almost all cases.
The presidency is important but it's not the entire government.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 10:00 am to jonnyanony
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Outside of the presidency (and SCOTUS through proxy) though we operate in strict representational democracy, elected via majority in almost all cases.
The presidency is important but it's not the entire government.
The Senate represents the states where every state is equal and gets two votes.
That isn’t how democracy works.
The president, the SC and half of Congress is not chosen by strict democracy.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 10:01 am to ChineseBandit58
quote:No, that was Adams (the most religious of all the Founders). Franklin would have laughed at the assertion, though he had been dead for a decade before Adams said it. He was NOTABLY irreligious and a Deist (which you would probably consider to be a form of paganism, since he specifically rejected the notion that Jesus was a deity in whole or in part).
Our constitution was designed for a 'moral and religious' population - according to Franklin.
Franklin recognized that the Constitution was a bundle of compromises, put together by some damned good politicians.
quote:"Secular?" Damned right.
You are a willing participant in the promotion of the ... secular ... 'vote for cutest boy' attitude promoted by the Democrat party.
Cutest boy? My man Ted is many things, but few would accuse him of being the "cutest boy," either literally or rhetorically.
This post was edited on 1/10/23 at 10:28 am
Posted on 1/10/23 at 10:02 am to burger bearcat
quote:You and I have finally found common ground.
A Constitutional Republic should have some democratic processes. But when people say "democracy", the implication seems to be that society and all its rules and systems are constantly subject to the whims of even a slim majority. This is a complete disaster and unsustainable.
Simply eliminating the 16th and 17th Ammendments would solve alot of issues. The Senate was never supposed to be a direct democracy election. The whole point was for the Senate to represent the state legislature at the Federal level.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 10:07 am to burger bearcat
Not sure where to start with this.
There's a difference between elections and governing, although elections do play a large role.
First, the USA is not a democracy. It is a representative republic. There is a difference.
Second, just because one side wins doesn't mean they have unchecked power. Procedural devices, such as filibusters, aid the minority in checking the majority. The split Congress now is a good check on the power of the Democrats, if the Republicans have the balls to stand up and follow through. But that is not a 51/49 issue. It is an integrity issue.
The problem these days is that people want things to happen yesterday. Our government is not meant to move at that place. In fact, it moves too quickly in many instances (Omnibus bill, for example). If it would slow down, and people would calm down, I think we all would see that the apocalypse is not coming.
There's a difference between elections and governing, although elections do play a large role.
First, the USA is not a democracy. It is a representative republic. There is a difference.
Second, just because one side wins doesn't mean they have unchecked power. Procedural devices, such as filibusters, aid the minority in checking the majority. The split Congress now is a good check on the power of the Democrats, if the Republicans have the balls to stand up and follow through. But that is not a 51/49 issue. It is an integrity issue.
The problem these days is that people want things to happen yesterday. Our government is not meant to move at that place. In fact, it moves too quickly in many instances (Omnibus bill, for example). If it would slow down, and people would calm down, I think we all would see that the apocalypse is not coming.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 10:22 am to burger bearcat
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For all the talk about "democracy", let's say Brazil and America's elections were actually 'legitimate" (they were not). Even if so, they were only by a slim majority.
As for America, we'd best hope that these last two elections were stolen, because if they were According to Hoyle and above reproach, then for all intents and purposes, the Republic as given to us by the Founders, which has already been reeling for decades, can be said to have a definite shelf-life.
If so, even if it is presently "by a slim majority" the Left never stops.
It is doing everything it can to get new, mindless automatons in here for the express purpose of voting Dem; along with their continued slick conditioning of the unwary and unfettered immigration preferably from the Third World.
They are not looking for potential future voters from eastern Europe in here - because they are all too aware of what it's like living under total authoritarianism.
Their objective now is to flood the country overwhelmingly to the point that that it renders the Electoral College not an issue.
We've heard this preoccupation with "democracy" from the Left for quite awhile. Most often in a crisis situation that they view its use as leverage in an argument.
Usually within the context that their adversaries are "threats" to it.
The only time one will see it invoked as much is in the original writings of the 1905/1917 Bolsheviks.
Even before the revisionists happened by in the persons of Lenin and Trotsky, Marx himself even favored "participatory democracy."
But he only saw it as useful to his objectives of turning the proletariat and peasants against their economic "rulers."
But the Bolsheviks paid it lip service, because they believed they had the numbers in the proletariat and the peasants to swamp their hated Tsarists and bourgeoisie.
But that was then; this is now.
When hearing a present-day leftist holler "democracy" it is from that perspective.
They believe they have the numbers now, and they fully expect to improve on them - with the attitude: "what are you going to do about it."
Posted on 1/10/23 at 3:02 pm to doubleb
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The Senate represents the states where every state is equal and gets two votes.
That isn’t how democracy works.
Of course it is. It's called representational democracy.
It's one of many flavors.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 3:06 pm to Pookers
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Democracy is retarded.
Glad we are in a Constitutional Republic
Posted on 1/10/23 at 3:23 pm to burger bearcat
No one likes to be the loser.
You sound like the Hillary Brigade during the Trump years.
You sound like the Hillary Brigade during the Trump years.
This post was edited on 1/10/23 at 3:26 pm
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