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re: Texas people: ERCOT warning
Posted on 5/14/22 at 3:46 pm to Jimbeaux
Posted on 5/14/22 at 3:46 pm to Jimbeaux
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Every ridiculous subsidized dollar that is going into wind and solar should be going to build nuclear and natural gas generated plants.
Solar and wind are UNRELIABLE, and INCAPABLE OF MEETING the energy demands of our economy.
You realize all 6 of the plants that went offline were natural gas plants? But tell me more about renewables.
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Posted on 5/14/22 at 3:54 pm to Buryl
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You realize all 6 of the plants that went offline were natural gas plants? But tell me more about renewables.
Wind actually overproduced from COP today and solar was right on the money. But that’s not going to stop a bunch of people who have no clue what they’re talking about from saying stupid shite they see on Facebook or just expressing uneducated opinions.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 4:04 pm to Jimbeaux
SC Taxpayers are on the hook for a 14 billion dollar failure in building a new nuclear plant. Not many companies are willing to take on that type of project. The one here went bankrupt due to Toshiba going bust and typical shady power companies that are protected at the government level. Enron was a 5 billion dollar failure for a reference.
This post was edited on 5/14/22 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 5/14/22 at 4:05 pm to Buryl
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You realize all 6 of the plants that went offline were natural gas plants? But tell me more about renewables.
Are you saying that wind and solar are inherently more capable, in all varying conditions, of powering the grid at a more reliable rate?
Posted on 5/14/22 at 4:07 pm to 0x15E
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setting their thermostats to 78 degrees or above
Mine stays on 79 anyway.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 4:11 pm to TulaneUVA
It’s simple. We keep adding demand(homes and commercial real estate) but they are limiting production. When was the last power plant built?
Posted on 5/14/22 at 4:13 pm to billjamin
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But that’s not going to stop a bunch of people who have no clue what they’re talking about from saying stupid shite
Tell me about the net scheduled and net actual generation in the winter storm of 2021. While you're at it, why don't you go into the functional generation mix during that period. I'll give you some help....solar and wind did nothing. For that matter, natural gas also failed miserably.
If not for coal and nuclear, the nation would have been in bad, bad shape. What two sources are going away and being forced out at a faster rate than all other sources? Coal and nuclear.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 4:15 pm to Arkapigdiesel
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Are you saying that wind and solar are inherently more capable, in all varying conditions, of powering the grid at a more reliable rate?
Pretty sure he’s just saying that all 6 of the plants that went offline today were gas-fired, and that wind and solar had nothing to do with it.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 4:16 pm to GreenRockTiger
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What is the other 18.9%?
Asians? Hispanics? Aliens?
21,788 (78.3%) White, 777 (2.8%) African American, 149 (0.5%) Native American, 2,204 (7.9%) Asian, 91 (0.3%) Pacific Islander, 1,382 (5.0%) from other races, and 1,419 (5.1%) from two or more races. There were 3,817 people (13.7%) of Hispanic or Latino origin, of any race.
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I’ll get the first bus from BR put together to go see SS
With those numbers, this still leaves BR way overserved, and looking kind of greedy. Maybe you should catalog a list of cities that are inadequately staffed, and round up a few thousand busses.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 4:19 pm to lostinbr
Possibly so, but he also threw renewables in there at the end. Which makes me think he was touting renewables.
For the record, I'm all for renewables as a supplemental source. The problem I have is that we are closing on demand plants and replacing them with renewables.
For the record, I'm all for renewables as a supplemental source. The problem I have is that we are closing on demand plants and replacing them with renewables.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 4:24 pm to Tigerholic
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We keep adding demand(homes and commercial real estate) but they are limiting production. When was the last power plant built?
Texas has added a huge amount of Wind energy production, its about 20% of all electric production in Texas. But there have also been several new NG plants built in the last 15 years with more in the works.
The problem is 6 plants have suddenly gone offline. Now if Texas was part of the national grid, we could get energy from out of state. But as it stands, our politicians won't allow us to join the national grid.
This post was edited on 5/14/22 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 5/14/22 at 4:25 pm to Arkapigdiesel
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Possibly so, but he also threw renewables in there at the end. Which makes me think he was touting renewables.
I suggest taking a look further back in the thread at the posts he was responding to.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 4:30 pm to lostinbr
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I suggest taking a look further back in the thread at the posts he was responding to.
That sounds like a lot of work.
I want to die on the hill that everyone's a bunch of tree hugging hippie's and they're out to make it all fold like a house of cards. I don't want facts to get in the way of an agenda I have cooked up in my head.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 4:31 pm to RealityTiger
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Now let's all run out and buy electric vehicles and really bog the grid down while we're charging our vehicles. The infrastructure can handle it, right?
Don't you find it interesting that Musk wants to start-up now his own private utility company? First state he is eyeing is, you guessed it, Texas.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 4:33 pm to Arkapigdiesel
good job trying to conflate operational intermittency and resources with a complete lack of winterization. Your shitty arguments probably work on most people but deep down you know your just being disingenuous if you actually have a clue what you’re talking about. This post was edited on 5/14/22 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 5/14/22 at 4:49 pm to Thecoz
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Texas has its own grid except Beaumont ( still on us east grid… El Paso ( on us west grid)… they did not want to include those due to economics when developing our own.. anyone remember the two cities that did not have people freeze and massive pipe damage last big freeze…
El Paso is part of another grid but including it with people who didn’t freeze is a little misleading which was typical of Abbot haters. First went below freezing Sunday morning the 14th and still got above freezing on Monday Feb 15th in afternoon for several hours. Starting Tuesday mid morning went above freezing consistently outside a few hour dip below early AM Friday.
Beaumont wasn’t much worse with temps than El Paso but did add some snow.
Parts of DFW were already mostly going below freezing starting Feb 10th then had 5 to 8 days straight of freezing temps (depending on if weather reports of brief temps at 33 were consistent) which included some single digit and negative temps to only start having consistent temps above freezing on Saturday the 20th.
ERCOT can connect to other grids to purchase and sell energy (DC, limited in number & less capacity connections but happens), and in the past has made mistakes on on selling or releasing rights to purchase before weather conditions kick in that push more extreme usage than expected on top of already too low reserve margins needed during peeks. Not sure if this is the case with this, but I lived in Texas one summer when it hit 100 or above for most of July & August and didn’t have any outages.
This post was edited on 5/14/22 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 5/14/22 at 4:52 pm to Jimbeaux
quote:It seems they're getting a LOT of energy from the sun right now. I wonder why they don't find a way to utilize that.
Thanks, Austin, and other pan-sexual sky screamers for your complete lack of rationality when it comes to energy policy. “We can just dream of endless ‘clean energy’ and it’ll appear in the magic wires of my house.”
Posted on 5/14/22 at 5:01 pm to Buryl
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You realize all 6 of the plants that went offline were natural gas plants? But tell me more about renewables.
Here’s the “more” that I’ll say about “renewables”. Notice that I advocated for investment in nuclear and natural gas.
If more focus (and money) was on natural gas and not on wind and solar, perhaps those plants could be better maintained.
None of your snark changes the FACT that wind and solar remain unreliable, inconsistent, too expensive, and a DRAIN on energy production resources.
ETA: AND don’t forget the FACT that wind and solar are worse for the environment than natural gas.
This post was edited on 5/14/22 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 5/14/22 at 5:01 pm to BabyTac
quote:Not a problem. They totally promise to cut back whenever somebody asks.
Just wait until all the gigantic crypto loads start energizing.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 5:26 pm to Zappas Stache
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The problem is 6 plants have suddenly gone offline. Now if Texas was part of the national grid, we could get energy from out of state. But as it stands, our politicians won't allow us to join the national grid.
Not part of national grid but can still purchase elsewhere. It’s just very limited in amount of connections and capacity of them.
Below was from 2012 and not sure if anything has changed but was first article I found.
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Last summer, when the brutal heat strained Texas’ electric grid and increased worries about blackouts, the grid imported a modest amount of power from Mexico and elsewhere in the United States…
The Texas grid covers about three-quarters of the state’s land area but excludes the Panhandle, El Paso and parts of East Texas. It already has links to other grids. Five “direct current” ties, including three to Mexico, can handle 1,100 megawatts, about 1.5 percent of the grid’s peak-time capacity. The ties can go both ways, though ERCOT has the authority to end the export of power during a crisis
https://www.texastribune.org/2012/03/30/texas-isolated-electric-grid-could-add-outside-tie/
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