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re: My wife and I had an abortion. AMA
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:00 pm to BigTimer085
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:00 pm to BigTimer085
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we really didn't want our 3 year old to watch their newborn baby sister die on a hospital bed.
Have you and the wife had a discussion and come to a decision to tell your daughter that she was going to be a sister when she is age appropriate?
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:01 pm to Lakeboy7
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I seriously doubt you have the standing to make that statement...dumbass.
You only speak for yourself clown. You think a 15-week ban is "nuts" because youre an ignorant fool that doesn't even know what abortion laws are like across the world.
China, North Korea, and Vietnam. Those are your partners in your abortion views. They side with you and you side with them.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:01 pm to Vamos Brandonos
quote:We do. We tried therapy afterwards but neither of us found it very helpful.
You need to accept that this was 100% your decision and your consequence
Ultimately, we feel bad about our decision and the entire situation, but do not regret our decision.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:01 pm to BigTimer085
That’s a tough situation.
The question of morality comes down to where we, as a society, are comfortable drawing a line in terms of life versus convenience. Obviously your situation is on one side of the spectrum while terminating a healthy fetus because “it’s not the right time” is on the other.
I’m not sure there is a good answer. I feel pretty safe in saying that terminating a healthy fetus after 10/15 weeks due to inconvenience is unacceptable. But as the issue becomes more gray, I become way less comfortable.
ETA: it’s a very similar analysis as Euthanasia
The question of morality comes down to where we, as a society, are comfortable drawing a line in terms of life versus convenience. Obviously your situation is on one side of the spectrum while terminating a healthy fetus because “it’s not the right time” is on the other.
I’m not sure there is a good answer. I feel pretty safe in saying that terminating a healthy fetus after 10/15 weeks due to inconvenience is unacceptable. But as the issue becomes more gray, I become way less comfortable.
ETA: it’s a very similar analysis as Euthanasia
This post was edited on 6/25/22 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:02 pm to idlewatcher
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That’s literally a cop out.
Easy for you to say standing in the sidelines not having to deal with the emotional trauma as well as the crippling medical debt caring for a child that doctors are saying stands no chance. I know a family that held onto hope too long and their child suffered for it and was not long for the world.
If you truly think his situation is a cop-out, sign up to be a foster parent and put your money where your mouth is. Give some kids a real fighting chance beyond birth.
This post was edited on 6/25/22 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:02 pm to Adam Banks
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They took a childs reported 10% shot at a life and turned it to 0%. Im not sure how thats supposed to be merciful as this is trying to be portrayed as.
Correct. There were no certainties, but the inconvenience (as stated, financial and the work) is why they killed the child. The only children that should be allowed live with this view is "healthy" children.
This post was edited on 6/25/22 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:02 pm to Cosmo
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Its a question of is it constitutional
Let’s talk about the constitution. Fetuses and unborn children are not mentioned either. At the time of the founders fetuses had no rights whatsoever.
Where does the idea come that unborn have rights? It certainly isn’t in our constitution or founding documents.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:03 pm to redstick13
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And traumatize their 3 year old?
The 3 year old has an idea when the mom is at 22 weeks that they are supposed to become an older sibling. All of the sudden they are not. If that experience doesnt cause serious questions and trauma then I dont think parents giving a child a shot at life however brief will cause significantly more trauma. Especially given that happened for hundreds and hundreds of years when newborns would die during the birthing process.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:03 pm to tiggerthetooth
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ou only speak for yourself clown. You think a 15-week ban is "nuts" because youre an ignorant fool that doesn't even know what abortion laws are like across the world.
Your one response ahead of yourself slick. Slow down.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:04 pm to BigTimer085
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We do
And yet you have thrown your daughter under the bus twice in this thread.
Do you?
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:04 pm to BigTimer085
any sensible state government will ensure abortion access for the following: the woman's life is at risk, the fetus is not viable for life, or rape
This post was edited on 6/25/22 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:04 pm to BigTimer085
I’m conflicted because I can wrap my head around your line of thinking and it’s certainly apparent that this wasn’t a “I got pregnant and don’t wanna deal with a kid” situation. On the other hand I think about my wife, who was born a few months premature and doctors told my FiL during delivery to either pick his wife or the baby because one or both of them wouldn’t make it. He couldn’t answer. So my wife was born at 2 pounds, not much bigger than an ink pin, and spent months in the NICU where my in laws were told she would likely not live and even if she did, she would likely be disabled physically as well as mentally handicapped. Fast forward to today and my wife is nearly 30 with a great career as a leader in her company, physically fit and active in her gym and in Jiu jitsu, active in mentorship of young girls in our community and is an absolute light in my life. And if her dad would’ve listened to the docs, none of that would’ve happened.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:04 pm to Adam Banks
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I feel like this is a fake story that is supposed to make me feel bad for being pro life. Particularly given he shared a link to other stories.
100% real
quote:never claimed it as merciful. I'm just trying to draw awareness to the reality of situations that are brushed aside as "oh, that only like 0.1% of all abortions though."
m not sure how thats supposed to be merciful as this is trying to be portrayed as.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:04 pm to Adam Banks
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The 3 year old has an idea when the mom is at 22 weeks that they are supposed to become an older sibling. All of
My brother went through all 3 of the babies being born deceased and grew into a great big brother then father now a grandfather.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:05 pm to TBoy
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Where does the idea come that unborn have rights? It certainly isn’t in our constitution or founding documents.
Interesting question. Do you believe the government as an inherent interest in protecting life?
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:06 pm to Stiles
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Have you and the wife had a discussion and come to a decision to tell your daughter that she was going to be a sister when she is age appropriate?
Not yet. I think it is something we are going to have to talk to our children about (we have since had another child) when they start their family planning as this heart defect is likely a genetic deformity and something they need to be aware of.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:08 pm to BigTimer085
Nothing that happened last Thursday has changed anything that you just mentioned.
ETA: this was meant for the OP.
ETA: this was meant for the OP.
This post was edited on 6/25/22 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:12 pm to Antonio Moss
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Do you believe the government as an inherent interest in protecting life?
I believe there are a multitude of rights that are fundamental but are not explicitly mentioned in the constitution. Our constitution with its very short bill of rights was never intended to be an exclusive and complete list of fundamental rights. The cop out of this court is the premise that if a right isn’t listed it does not exist.
It is a matter of objective truth that neither the constitution nor the law at the time of the drafting of the constitution granted personhood to the unborn.
You can’t have it both ways. Either the full scope of human rights is fluid or it isn’t. If we are locked to the constitution, no, the unborn have no right to life.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:13 pm to Vamos Brandonos
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And yet you have thrown your daughter under the bus twice in this thread.
Do you?
I don't think that the factors we considered related to a decision like this are considered a cop out. Maybe you do, and that's fine.
We are aware that we took away her shot. We are aware that we are the ones who ended her life, not her disease. I hold no delusions about what we did.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:13 pm to TBoy
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Where does the idea come that unborn have rights?
I was always taught to stand up for those that couldn't do it for themselves. Just how I was raised.
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