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re: Why is Alec Baldwin responsible for murder?
Posted on 8/21/22 at 9:49 am to thelawnwranglers
Posted on 8/21/22 at 9:49 am to thelawnwranglers
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Sure he is a douche but don't see how this is his fault
Uh, he pulled the damn trigger. Rule #1 treat every weapon as though loaded until you personally know it is not. Rule #2 Never, ever, ever, never point a weapon at something you do not intend to kill.
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Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:17 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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Rule #1 treat every weapon as though loaded until you personally know it is not.
And even then treat it as loaded.
quote:
Rule #2 Never, ever, ever, never point a weapon at something you do not intend to kill.
Logically follows Rule #1. No need to point an unloaded weapon at something you have no intent of neutralizing.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:19 am to thelawnwranglers
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see how this is his fault
He fired the gun. You always treat a firearm like its loaded.
He then lied about it.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:32 am to thelawnwranglers
Pointing a gun at a person and pulling the trigger has to have consequences. Hell, we don't even know HE DIDN'T have intent.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:53 am to thelawnwranglers
He’s not. HTH
Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:58 am to Bham4Tide
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Because he appears to be a huge douche and a liberal asshat.
But, this board, who wants "real" facts and wants the media to "tell the truth", needs to see blood BECAUSE he IS all of what I wrote above. Most here are ideologues who don't really care as long as some Dem. has their comeuppance for disagreeing with them.
Him being a liberal douchebag isn't the reason why he should be held responsible for intentionally pointing a loaded weapon at a woman and then pulling the trigger, killing her.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:59 am to thelawnwranglers
Meh. frick that guy.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:04 am to Bham4Tide
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Because he appears to be a huge douche and a liberal asshat.
But, this board, who wants "real" facts and wants the media to "tell the truth", needs to see blood BECAUSE he IS all of what I wrote above. Most here are ideologues who don't really care as long as some Dem. has their comeuppance for disagreeing with them.
Wrong. This is a key difference between the right and the left.
The left defends Baldwin because he's a leftist. If Donald Trump had done the same thing, they'd be screaming for his blood. The left is about "sides".
The right wants to hold Baldwin accountable for his actions. They would do the same if it were Trump. The right is about "concepts".
Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:05 am to thelawnwranglers
If it was Chris Pratt they’d want to lock him up and throw away the key…
Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:23 am to Herooftheday
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There are no accidents with firearms. Only neglegence and that is chargeable all day.
This makes no sense, all accidents are caused by negligence in some form.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:26 am to Herooftheday
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This post was edited on 8/21/22 at 11:40 am
Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:29 am to thelawnwranglers
quote:He did in fact point the weapon at the deceased and the FBI says there is no way the gun would go off without pulling the trigger. Unless they can prove intent, I would go with manslaughter.
Why is Alex Baldwin responsible for murder?
Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:52 am to Scoob
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and since he is also the producer, a lot of what he will get tagged with will be because of that).
I'll be shocked if he gets anything at all.
He MIGHT get 8 hours if community service.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:58 am to thelawnwranglers
Because he makes fun of Trump. Anything else said is lies. Notice these ignorant motherfrickers don't say the same about whoever fired and killed Brandon Lee. These retards have the nerve to say never to point a gun and fire?? How tf do you dummies think movies are made, every action movie shoots guns with blanks AT people. The armorer job is to make sure the gun has the right rounds in it, end of story. Even the people that openly hate the guy but disagree get DVd. Jesus H
This post was edited on 8/21/22 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 8/21/22 at 12:00 pm to Godfather1
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No need to point an unloaded weapon at something you have no intent of neutralizing
Absolutely. A man his age did know better. He's been through lots of firearms discussions on sets.
There was no reason for him to pull back the hammer, or pull the trigger. I'm actually starting to think he may have known what was going to happen.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 12:16 pm to thelawnwranglers
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Why is Alec Baldwin responsible for murder?
1. He pulled the trigger.
2. He was the producer. He’s overall responsible for the safety of everyone on the set.
There may not have been internet but there was certainly negligence. If it were me or you, you’d be sitting in fricking jail until the trial.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 12:21 pm to thelawnwranglers
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Sure but also you would think rule one no real bullets on set
Definition of manslaughter. His actions, although not premeditated nor intended to kill, ended a person's life because he pointed a firearm at him and pulled trigger.
Ask yourself this, how is it even possible to have live ammo within a mile of the set? Someone did this shite with intent. Baldwin is just a lazy moron who didn't check. On the gun/clip and look. Fake bullets don't have a lead projectile!.....duh
Posted on 8/21/22 at 12:22 pm to thelawnwranglers
Murder is a stretch but manslaughter is reasonable given the circumstances. In gun safety classes, it is emphasized that every gun should be handled as if it is loaded.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 12:29 pm to thelawnwranglers
Being told “there isn’t a bullet in this gun, Point it at her and pull the trigger” isn’t an excuse for killing someone, and you’re responsible for a gun in your hands.
Some general gun safety rules:
Treat every gun like it’s loaded
Always keep a gun pointed in a safe direction
Don’t point at anything you don’t intend to kill
Shoot until the threat is no longer a threat (not really relevant to this situation, but if we are listing gun rules, then we should probably just list them all)
Being on a movie set doesn’t absolve you of safety rules. A gun is a gun. Be safe with it. Accept the risks. Go above and beyond to ensure safety if you plan on breaking the first 3 rules above.
Some general gun safety rules:
Treat every gun like it’s loaded
Always keep a gun pointed in a safe direction
Don’t point at anything you don’t intend to kill
Shoot until the threat is no longer a threat (not really relevant to this situation, but if we are listing gun rules, then we should probably just list them all)
Being on a movie set doesn’t absolve you of safety rules. A gun is a gun. Be safe with it. Accept the risks. Go above and beyond to ensure safety if you plan on breaking the first 3 rules above.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 12:54 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
quote:That's a rule I observe like every responsible gun owner should, but it's not law. I'd like to see the dude kiss a train as much as the next guy, but this isn't murder, and it wasn't a crime. There may be a successful civil suit, but there was no intent to shoot or kill, as far as we know now.
Rule #1 treat every weapon as though loaded until you personally know it is not. Rule #2 Never, ever, ever, never point a weapon at something you do not intend to kill.
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