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re: Israel–Hamas War Discussion Thread: News Links On First Page

Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:16 am to
Posted by teke184
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Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:16 am to
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the Saudis have called on their people to leave Lebanon and the Beirut area immediately.


Apparently shite’s on.
Posted by Chicken
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Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:18 am to
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I've always had a lot of interest in World War 1 and this is giving off serious vibes of it. Russia/China/Iran have come out as the new Axis of Evil
It's feels like Iran orchestrated the timing of this knowing that the world was tied up with the Russia/Ukraine war...I would not be surprised to see China soon take advantage of this in some way.
This post was edited on 10/18/23 at 10:30 am
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:18 am to
This comment on the Jerusalem Post's coverage of the White House stating the Israeli's weren't responsible for the hospital bombing was too good not to share.



The irony dripping off of it is nothing short of amazing.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
54798 posts
Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:22 am to
@IsraelWarRoom
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Israel: Hamas terrorists carried out a massacre, murdered 1,400 people, beheaded children, and burned people alive
Journalists: We will need 139572715 kinds of proof.
Hamas: Israel bombed a hospital and killed 500+ people!
Journalists: that seems valid

Xwitter
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:22 am to
China is giving me Ottoman Empire / Austria-Hungary vibes right now.

They are staring down the barrel of demographic disasters, economic disasters, etc, and seem to think that a military victory would shore up their position.

If the idea is human wave attacks against other countries, they may succeed.

If the idea is to try and use naval and air power to pull off something like invading Taiwan,
I see it going VERY poorly for them unless they plan on bombing the shite out of it, which isn’t their intentions because they want it intact.


Taiwan isn’t going to roll over for them because they have seen what happened to Hong Kong and the agreements China made with the British for turnover. So they have no reason to surrender and are in a very defensible position as long as they can stay fed.
Posted by LSUnation78
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Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:28 am to
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They are staring down the barrel of demographic disasters, economic disasters, etc, and seem to think that a military victory would shore up their position.


Yes. Although i would word it a bit differently. It may not be to shore up per se, but essentially this is the only window they have to accomplish what they’ve been trying to do for 50 years…settle the chinese civil war once and for all.
Posted by ridlejs
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:32 am to
These are the types of things that make me legitimately nervous. This whole event - with the hospital bombing being the perfect example - is exposing just how much hate and confirmation bias is present. No amount of truth will change their minds. And that entire area is a powder keg of hate towards Israel.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:33 am to
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but essentially this is the only window they have to accomplish what they’ve been trying to do for 50 years…settle the chinese civil war once and for all.


If their plan is to wipe out the remainders of Chiang Kai Shek, they could do that if they wanted to.


If their plan is to take control of the island and all the industry within it? Not so much.

Getting large numbers of troops onto the island will be a problem. Only so many available docks, can’t paratroop in because Taiwan’s air defense will have a Turkey shoot, etc. And then you need to have logistical support once you make a foothold.


There is a reason amphibious invasions fail so often and D Day was the exception, not the rule.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:50 am to
A subtle little shift in wording by this outfit. Every bit of coverage they've given the hospital bombing from the moment the story broke has included "Israel" or "Israelis" strike. The omission is glaring, and a little surprising.

@MiddleEastEye
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In pictures: Strike hits Palestinian hospital in Gaza
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:52 am to
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It's feels like Iran orchestrated the timing of this knowing that the world was tied up with the Russia/Ukraine war...I would not be surprised to see China soon take advantage of this in some way.


Yes. Iran planned the attack. And Iran and Russia are Allies. It’s a Risk board.
Posted by TheFonz
Somewhere in Louisiana
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 10/18/23 at 11:11 am to
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It's feels like Iran orchestrated the timing of this knowing that the world was tied up with the Russia/Ukraine war...I would not be surprised to see China soon take advantage of this in some way.


I hope you are wrong.

I'm usually not one for screaming "WORLD WAR III!" but like people have said multiple times in this threads, things have a June-July 1914 feel to them. If China throws their hat into the ring, I can then see the three separate conflicts merging into a world war, like how the European conflict merged with the Pacific/Jap-Sino conflict in World War II.

With weak leadership both here and in Europe on top of everything else going on, I can see China saying "well, why the hell not?"




This post was edited on 10/18/23 at 11:15 am
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 10/18/23 at 11:16 am to
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m usually not one for screaming "WORLD WAR III!" but like people have said multiple times in this threads, things have a June-July 1914 feel to them.
I don't think the US or it's allies have the stomach for WW3...don't see it happening.
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 10/18/23 at 11:22 am to
They may not have the stomach but bad actors around the world may bring it upon us whether we like it or not
Posted by TheFonz
Somewhere in Louisiana
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 10/18/23 at 11:35 am to
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I don't think the US or it's allies have the stomach for WW3...don't see it happening.


I agree with not having the stomach to fight it out.

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bad actors around the world may bring it upon us whether we like it or not


I agree with this, too.

No matter how you slice it...in politics, economy, socially, or with war...we are in for tougher times, I believe.

I just hope we have at least some of the chutzpah our grandparents/great-grandparents had.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
96435 posts
Posted on 10/18/23 at 11:36 am to
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No matter how you slice it...in politics, economy, socially, or with war...we are in for tougher times, I believe.


Agreed.

And part of why we are in this position is due to a weakening of the US military which, in turn, emboldened a number of bad actors.

At least one of those bad actors just got billions from us, too.
Posted by pankReb
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Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 10/18/23 at 11:38 am to
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Chicken


Whenever I see you actually participating in threads, it reminds me of the show where the CEO pretends to be a trainee and works the bottom end.
Posted by Bigfishchoupique
Member since Jul 2017
8465 posts
Posted on 10/18/23 at 11:38 am to
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U.S. to provide $100 million in humanitarian assistance for Palestinians




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Biden said Wednesday the United States is providing $100 million in humanitarian assistance for Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. “This funding will help support over a million displaced and conflict-affected people with clean water, food, hygiene support, medical care, and other essential needs,” a White House statement said.



I can do the math on this one. But I’m not posting it after what I did yesterday.




We know Hamas, Et al . will get the money.
This post was edited on 10/18/23 at 11:57 am
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 10/18/23 at 11:41 am to
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U.S. to provide $100 million in humanitarian assistance for Palestinians


So, what Beltway insider's NGO is going to skim off $95million before it ever leaves DC?
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
96435 posts
Posted on 10/18/23 at 11:46 am to
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With weak leadership both here and in Europe on top of everything else going on, I can see China saying "well, why the hell not?"


Where is China going to hit?

Hitting Taiwan, South Korea, and Japan all have issues due to location / logistics

From land routes, they could easily do Mongolia or a bunch of other nobody countries but invading India or Russia would cause them problems.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
99327 posts
Posted on 10/18/23 at 12:00 pm to
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Whenever I see you actually participating in threads, it reminds me of the show where the CEO pretends to be a trainee and works the bottom end.


Chicken has alters for those roles.
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