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The GLP-1 Protocol
Posted on 11/9/23 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 11/9/23 at 2:22 pm
So many of you have asked what i think the protocol for the GLP-1 class of drugs should be since i have made it really clear i do not agree with current guidelines.
The reason I do not care for current guidelines is I feel it lacks the emphasis of lifestyle changes and the use of minimum effective dosing to get use where we want to be.
I also feel like there are ways to minimize the loss of muscle, the sagging skin and overall aging that we see with many on GLP-1 drugs.
To be clear I beleive Mounjaro or now Zepbound should be used fpr fatloss if you are going to go down the road of GLP-1 drugs. It is more effective and has less side effects from all of my research.
I believe that to decrease the chances of staying on the GLP1 drugs for life it is very important to slowly titrate up using minimum effective dosing and then once we reach goal weight, we titrate down dosing in 3 month blocks. The goal is to not have to go to 10mg to reach our goal and to titrate down until we get to the lowest dose of 2.5mg which we will stay on for 6 months before coming off. The ultimate goal is to be at goal physique and not be on the medicine.
-The peptides protocols can no longer be prescribed by a doctor to my knowledge, this is as of a week ago. Talk to your doctor about it. You can still purchase through peptidescience, QSC on mesorx, and limitless life nootropics.
- Sustain alpha can be purchased from iconic formulations. Dermacrine can be used also, along with any of their other products. No need to throw the kitchen sink at things right away though.
- the fat loss protocol can be purchased from SNS or any online retailer that sales SNS products.
The Mounjaro Protocol
Goals:
1) Use lifestyle intervention to provide the majority of the weight loss while minimizing dosing of Mounjaro.
2) Looking to lose 1-2 lbs per week. The 1st four week block we are looking to lose 10lbs.
3) We will take a measurement at the naval and we will use that and the scale to track body fat loss. Getting a Dexa, Bodpod or Inbody Scan would be preferred, but not required.
4) We will eat in a slight caloric deficit and we will prioritize protein to minimize muscle loss and to minimize sagging skin that is so common with those that lose extreme amounts of weight.
5) We will use intermittent fasting and eat all meals in the noon-8pm or 11am-7pm time frame.
6) Males will have testosterone checked. If done having kids and TRT is needed, use. In younger males you will use Sustain Alpha from Iconic Formulations to keep Testosterone levels elevated while we reduce calories. 5 pumps per day.
7) We will progressively layer in other protocols to help with the weight loss as needed.
8) We will lift weights progressively 2-3x per week. I highly suggest starting with just the bar and sticking to a basic linear progression program. I highly suggest the Greyskull templates. We must get strong and build muscle if we are seeking the aesthetic appearance we claim to want. You must build muscle to keep skin from sagging. This is extra important for females.
The reason I do not care for current guidelines is I feel it lacks the emphasis of lifestyle changes and the use of minimum effective dosing to get use where we want to be.
I also feel like there are ways to minimize the loss of muscle, the sagging skin and overall aging that we see with many on GLP-1 drugs.
To be clear I beleive Mounjaro or now Zepbound should be used fpr fatloss if you are going to go down the road of GLP-1 drugs. It is more effective and has less side effects from all of my research.
I believe that to decrease the chances of staying on the GLP1 drugs for life it is very important to slowly titrate up using minimum effective dosing and then once we reach goal weight, we titrate down dosing in 3 month blocks. The goal is to not have to go to 10mg to reach our goal and to titrate down until we get to the lowest dose of 2.5mg which we will stay on for 6 months before coming off. The ultimate goal is to be at goal physique and not be on the medicine.
-The peptides protocols can no longer be prescribed by a doctor to my knowledge, this is as of a week ago. Talk to your doctor about it. You can still purchase through peptidescience, QSC on mesorx, and limitless life nootropics.
- Sustain alpha can be purchased from iconic formulations. Dermacrine can be used also, along with any of their other products. No need to throw the kitchen sink at things right away though.
- the fat loss protocol can be purchased from SNS or any online retailer that sales SNS products.
The Mounjaro Protocol
Goals:
1) Use lifestyle intervention to provide the majority of the weight loss while minimizing dosing of Mounjaro.
2) Looking to lose 1-2 lbs per week. The 1st four week block we are looking to lose 10lbs.
3) We will take a measurement at the naval and we will use that and the scale to track body fat loss. Getting a Dexa, Bodpod or Inbody Scan would be preferred, but not required.
4) We will eat in a slight caloric deficit and we will prioritize protein to minimize muscle loss and to minimize sagging skin that is so common with those that lose extreme amounts of weight.
5) We will use intermittent fasting and eat all meals in the noon-8pm or 11am-7pm time frame.
6) Males will have testosterone checked. If done having kids and TRT is needed, use. In younger males you will use Sustain Alpha from Iconic Formulations to keep Testosterone levels elevated while we reduce calories. 5 pumps per day.
7) We will progressively layer in other protocols to help with the weight loss as needed.
8) We will lift weights progressively 2-3x per week. I highly suggest starting with just the bar and sticking to a basic linear progression program. I highly suggest the Greyskull templates. We must get strong and build muscle if we are seeking the aesthetic appearance we claim to want. You must build muscle to keep skin from sagging. This is extra important for females.
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Posted on 11/9/23 at 2:22 pm to lsu777
So where do we go from here………….well we raise the Mounjaro to 5mg and we start the whole process over again. I Do not feel I really need to type this all out but we will raise calories, lower exercise activity and drop the GH/Supplement package back down to the original protocol. We will repeat all of the above steps just like we did being consistent with the diet and the training.
Only after completing the above steps at the 5mg dosing will we move to 7.5 mg dosing. At that point it will look like the following.
This post was edited on 11/9/23 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 11/9/23 at 6:17 pm to lsu777
Is the only real way to fix loose skin by building muscle? I ask because I have a family member who lost a lot of weight and now she's self conscious about her loose skin but there's no way I could see her lifting weights unfortunately
Posted on 11/14/23 at 2:52 pm to lsu777
For the newbies to fitness here, please don't take this shite unless you're 600 pounds.
If you need to lose 50-80 pounds, diet, training, cardio and carb manipulation will drop most of the weight needed in 3-6 months
If you need to lose 50-80 pounds, diet, training, cardio and carb manipulation will drop most of the weight needed in 3-6 months
Posted on 3/13/24 at 6:25 am to lsu777
Obesity is a disease.
One’s appearance has no bearing on the presence of a disease. If your body doesn’t naturally produce enough GLP-1, it doesn’t. Your assumption is that losing enough weight makes the disease go away, and that is a fundamental flaw in your proposed protocol. It is a disease that requires perpetual treatment(medical and/or surgical in combination with healthy lifestyle implementation). The assumption you are making is that most people possess extraordinary will power. Enough will power to overcome the main symptom of the disease and change one’s appearance and health projections. For those that are able(very very small %, great for them). Diet and exercise are unquestionable part of any good doctor’s recommendation, but that is no different than any good doctor talking to any patient about being healthy.
Once wider acceptance occurs that obesity is a chronic disease that requires perpetual treatment, the gen pop’s thinking and stigma around it will start to change. We must move away from the fat shaming culture(I am aware this board is full of pots calling the kettle black) and to a place of understanding and acceptance of medical facts and data.
If a person is capable of getting off any medicine that treats any chronic illness with a net positive that is weighed out between new/reduced risks of being off the medicine vs new/reduced risks of being on the medicine. That would be advisable for anyone, regardless of medicine and disease.
The foundational assumption is what I am addressing. The treatment of obesity with a will power based approach is simply lacking in understanding of the disease. I’m sorry.
One’s appearance has no bearing on the presence of a disease. If your body doesn’t naturally produce enough GLP-1, it doesn’t. Your assumption is that losing enough weight makes the disease go away, and that is a fundamental flaw in your proposed protocol. It is a disease that requires perpetual treatment(medical and/or surgical in combination with healthy lifestyle implementation). The assumption you are making is that most people possess extraordinary will power. Enough will power to overcome the main symptom of the disease and change one’s appearance and health projections. For those that are able(very very small %, great for them). Diet and exercise are unquestionable part of any good doctor’s recommendation, but that is no different than any good doctor talking to any patient about being healthy.
Once wider acceptance occurs that obesity is a chronic disease that requires perpetual treatment, the gen pop’s thinking and stigma around it will start to change. We must move away from the fat shaming culture(I am aware this board is full of pots calling the kettle black) and to a place of understanding and acceptance of medical facts and data.
If a person is capable of getting off any medicine that treats any chronic illness with a net positive that is weighed out between new/reduced risks of being off the medicine vs new/reduced risks of being on the medicine. That would be advisable for anyone, regardless of medicine and disease.
The foundational assumption is what I am addressing. The treatment of obesity with a will power based approach is simply lacking in understanding of the disease. I’m sorry.
This post was edited on 3/13/24 at 6:28 am
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