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re: As a "Social Conservative", Trunp's moral failings do not bother me (explained)
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:00 pm to burger bearcat
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:00 pm to burger bearcat
It should bother any real Christian. I would rather not vote, than go against conservative and Christian morals.
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Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:18 pm to beaux duke
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Remember when his campaign said Trump makes that gesture all the time and then he never did again (or previously?)
I posted a link on the second page showing that very thing.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:26 pm to burger bearcat
I have minimal concern about Trump's moral failings. He's a reflection of the population. It's hard to ID many public figures you believe are good, earnest, genuine human beings. Him not being one isn't really notable.
I have more concern for Christians who regularly see fit to conflate Christianity and Trump. Something that really used to bug me about the FBC Dallas dude is that he'd go on Hannity or whatever and get 10 minutes of airtime and spend all of it defending Trump. To be clear, I didn't want him to condemn Trump, that's not the point. But there was rarely a Gospel message inserted into the middle of the dialogue, and we all know Hannity would have let that fly without issue. And it's just stuck with me as a theme that reflects the issue. If you're given 10 minutes as a pastor with millions watching and you don't intentionally bring the conversation over to Christ and instead just cut it up about Trump and Trump's oppressors for the whole segment - what are you doing?
Christians who support Trump are mostly fine by me, but if you're a Trump supporting Christian and 95% of your efforts/communications/etc. pertaining to Christianity somehow work in or relate to Trump, it's time to reassess.
I have more concern for Christians who regularly see fit to conflate Christianity and Trump. Something that really used to bug me about the FBC Dallas dude is that he'd go on Hannity or whatever and get 10 minutes of airtime and spend all of it defending Trump. To be clear, I didn't want him to condemn Trump, that's not the point. But there was rarely a Gospel message inserted into the middle of the dialogue, and we all know Hannity would have let that fly without issue. And it's just stuck with me as a theme that reflects the issue. If you're given 10 minutes as a pastor with millions watching and you don't intentionally bring the conversation over to Christ and instead just cut it up about Trump and Trump's oppressors for the whole segment - what are you doing?
Christians who support Trump are mostly fine by me, but if you're a Trump supporting Christian and 95% of your efforts/communications/etc. pertaining to Christianity somehow work in or relate to Trump, it's time to reassess.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:29 pm to burger bearcat
Well then I guess we deserve the rotten government that we’ve got if morality doesn’t matter lmao
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:30 pm to Nurbis
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I posted a link on the second page showing that very thing.
4 speeches. 2 are from the one where he made fun of the guy with Cerebral Palsy. The other 2 are him just losing it going off script
He made fun of a handicapped person. You can try to deny it, but it's what happened
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:32 pm to Nurbis
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Is that better or worse than when Obama said he bowled like he was in The Special Olympics?
Probably about the same.
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Trump regularly made those gestures
And?
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:57 pm to burger bearcat
Me either. We don't have the luxury of pretending a president can be our premier moral leader. the country is unraveling in real time.
at least he's pretty much wholly honest about his stances and doesn't apologize for them. most politicians say one thing and believe another. they dgaf about shooting us straight. only what's expedient. Trump IS popular because he's their antithesis.
at least he's pretty much wholly honest about his stances and doesn't apologize for them. most politicians say one thing and believe another. they dgaf about shooting us straight. only what's expedient. Trump IS popular because he's their antithesis.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:00 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
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A lot of "conservatives" simply want an authoritarian government that will force their own morals onto everyone else,
Almost all laws have a moral basis. Everyone wants to "force their morals onto everyone else," including you.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:00 pm to beaux duke
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4 speeches. 2 are from the one where he made fun of the guy with Cerebral Palsy.
You said there were no videos of Trump making the same gesture other than in that case. Now you are saying okay there are videos but it doesn't change anything?
Also, you are saying that in the same speech, Trump made the same gesture while referencing different people? Kind of hard to make the case that it was specifically to mock a disabled guy if he uses the same gesture to mock abled body people in the same speech.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:01 pm to m2pro
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at least he's pretty much wholly honest about his stances and doesn't apologize for them. most politicians say one thing and believe another.
He was the first time around. He's doing some big time pandering this time.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:56 pm to m2pro
Uh that’s why the country is unraveling because almost nobody in the government is a moral person they’re not mutually exclusive
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