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re: Down to 83 Scholarship Players
Posted on 4/19/24 at 12:15 pm to USAFTiger42
Posted on 4/19/24 at 12:15 pm to USAFTiger42
quote:do we, really?
but we need room to bring guys in
If you find a transfer you like and he wants to come here, why can't an NIL collective just pick up his tuition and room and board? He still gets a free ride, and nobody goes over the scholarship limit. It's the same money, just a different term for it.
You know we're eventually going to see a "walk on" start games. It's happened in the past with baseball, when they had to split scholarships up. TOPS would cover some things, other guys had family money and chose to pay their own way to allow for a better team. Football will see that same dynamic play out- the top players will end up with big NIL deals and 'walk on', leaving scholarships to guys building depth.
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Posted on 4/19/24 at 12:27 pm to Scoob
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If you find a transfer you like and he wants to come here, why can't an NIL collective just pick up his tuition and room and board? He still gets a free ride, and nobody goes over the scholarship limit. It's the same money, just a different term for it.
Whether a player is on scholarship or not, he counts toward the 85 limit the second he takes the field if he was “recruited”. This only works if the player doesn’t make an official visit and the coaches have no in-person contact with the player.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 12:38 pm to Scoob
If that were possible, every team would have multiple "walk ons" whose tuition, etc was paid for by NIL. If you're recruiting a guy, he's going to count against the 85.
It's different in baseball, because there are limited scholarships, so schools are allowed (pretty much forced) to divide the scholarships between players. In football, that's not allowed. All scholarships have to be full scholarships, and the players you have recruited are counted against the 85. The NCAA may be dumb, but even they won't fall for hiding players over the limit.
It's different in baseball, because there are limited scholarships, so schools are allowed (pretty much forced) to divide the scholarships between players. In football, that's not allowed. All scholarships have to be full scholarships, and the players you have recruited are counted against the 85. The NCAA may be dumb, but even they won't fall for hiding players over the limit.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 4:03 pm to Scoob
quote:
do we, really?
If you find a transfer you like and he wants to come here, why can't an NIL collective just pick up his tuition and room and board? He still gets a free ride, and nobody goes over the scholarship limit. It's the same money, just a different term for it.
In addition to being against the rules, it would be screwing the player over from a tax perspective. 100% of tuition is not tax-deductible and only qualifies for a limited tax credit annually for 4 years, which would be far exceeded by income taxes due on the NIL compensation.
The cost of attendance to the player involved in your scenario:
Tuition
Use of training facilities and staff.
Room
Meals
Laundry Service
Medical Insurance
etc
etc etc
etc etc etc
would require a rather hefty NIL deal (which is earned income subject to income taxation, both state and federal) to cover said expenses and taxes; all the while, his teammates will have NIL spending money and this poor schlub would not. Don't think many, if any, would jump on that deal, assuming of course that same was to be permitted under NCAA By-Law.
Let's see: NIL deal with no scholarship where I pay taxes on 100% of income and then pay for all associated costs to attend and play or scholarship + NIL (free education, food, housing, books, fees, etc plusspending money). Now that's a hard decision to make.
Just love how the "work-arounds" always fail to take into account the complete picture.
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