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re: Tucker Carlson has divided conservative social media with his take on the atomic bomb
Posted on 4/22/24 at 12:26 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 4/22/24 at 12:26 am to RollTide1987
He's right as usual.
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Posted on 4/22/24 at 2:40 am to RollTide1987
War is a result of evil. It should be avoided whenever possible. Tucker has a right to his opinion. I disagree with him.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 3:09 am to Damone
What was the alternative without sacrificing more American lives?
Posted on 4/22/24 at 3:22 am to RollTide1987
Apparently you can cuck the Tuck.
The guy has become a caricature.
The guy has become a caricature.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 3:27 am to RollTide1987
We should definitely do everything in our power to ensure that it never happens again. As far as what happened in the past to me it isn't my sin or cross to bear. We can debate whether it was right or wrong all day, I lean towards wrong ,but I can definitely understand the why or at least the logic behind it. Japan started it and the US ended it in the most destructive way possible. Was it tragic? Yes. Was it necessary? I don't know and will not pretend to say I can definitively answer that.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 3:58 am to RollTide1987
quote:The alternative was to assure deaths of several million and perhaps cede half of Japan to Soviet Union Communist dictatorship as occurred in Korea. If you find yourself arguing that millions should have died instead of thousands, and half of Japan should have been a Soviet vassal akin to East Germany, then you're either evil, ignorant, or both.
Tucker Carlson ... take on the atomic bomb
Posted on 4/22/24 at 4:06 am to Big Fat Guy
Did some more digging on this. I don't know if there were any military bases or targets in Japan completely removed from cities, but Hiroshima was the location of a military base and about 40,000 troops. Kokura (our second target) and Nagasaki (our third target / secondary target) were also home to ordnance factories and industrial factories being repurposed for the wartime effort, but each had far fewer actual troops on the ground.
After Hiroshima, a key higher-up in the Japanese military thought that we could only possibly have two or three more atomic bombs ready to use, which they were prepared to accept, and so they decided not to surrender. When the Emperor of Japan had finally decided to surrender after Nagasaki, there was an attempted coup d'etat from military officials who wanted to keep fighting to the death.
The Japanese conducted unspeakably sick and lethal medical experiments on American POWs, stoned them to death, and who knows what else--may God rest their souls. Actually the Japanese tried to say that eight of the POWs had died during Hiroshima to cover up for the fact that the POWs had actually died from the barbaric medical experimentation.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki Wikipedia
WW2 Museum Website - Kokura and Nagasaki
After Hiroshima, a key higher-up in the Japanese military thought that we could only possibly have two or three more atomic bombs ready to use, which they were prepared to accept, and so they decided not to surrender. When the Emperor of Japan had finally decided to surrender after Nagasaki, there was an attempted coup d'etat from military officials who wanted to keep fighting to the death.
The Japanese conducted unspeakably sick and lethal medical experiments on American POWs, stoned them to death, and who knows what else--may God rest their souls. Actually the Japanese tried to say that eight of the POWs had died during Hiroshima to cover up for the fact that the POWs had actually died from the barbaric medical experimentation.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki Wikipedia
WW2 Museum Website - Kokura and Nagasaki
This post was edited on 4/22/24 at 4:20 am
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:32 am to stelly1025
quote:You should know though. The precept is not honestly debatable if one examines the alternatives.
I don't know and will not pretend to say I can definitively answer that.
Japan was keenly aware an American invasion was forthcoming. Japan was in no way shape or form ready to surrender. Quite the opposite. Their aim was to render the American cost of invasion so atrocious as to lead the American public to abort the effort. Casualties accompanying an invasion would have dwarfed those of Nagasaki/Hiroshima. Civilian casualties accompanying an invasion would have dwarfed those of Nagasaki/Hiroshima.
If one desires to retrospectively reconsider ethicality of our actions in WWII, discussions of firebombing (Tokyo, Hamburg, etc) are certainly open issues. But whereas Tokyo's firebombing (which killed more civilians than Hiroshima/Nagasaki combined) carried no associated expectation of ending the war, the A-Bombs did.
In contrast to Tucker's idiotic viewpoint, the Hiroshima/Nagasaki actions were far and away the most humane way of ending an inhumane war.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:38 am to SirWinston
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He's right as usual.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:42 am to NC_Tigah
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You should know though. The precept is not honestly debatable if one examines the alternatives.
Japan was keenly aware an American invasion was forthcoming. Japan was in no way shape or form ready to surrender. Quite the opposite. Their aim was to render the American cost of invasion so atrocious as to lead the American public to abort the effort. Casualties accompanying an invasion would have dwarfed those of Nagasaki/Hiroshima. Civilian casualties accompanying an invasion would have dwarfed those of Nagasaki/Hiroshima.
If one desires to retrospectively reconsider ethicality of our actions in WWII, discussions of firebombing (Tokyo, Hamburg, etc) are certainly open issues. But whereas Tokyo's firebombing (which killed more civilians than Hiroshima/Nagasaki combined) carried no associated expectation of ending the war, the A-Bombs did.
In contrast to Tucker's idiotic viewpoint, the Hiroshima/Nagasaki actions were far and away the most humane way of ending an inhumane war.
You're wasting your time.
I don't know what Huckster Carlson has in the way of hypnotic skills, but he could tell them that they should all go to the main street of their town, stick their pecker out of their pants, hang a live lobster off of it, and parade up and down the street like that to protest the Deep State, and they would do it without question. (In fact, he probably will eventually get around to telling them that.)
When that guy is involved they abandon all reason and logic. Every time.
Just ridicule them and move on. You won't change their minds (because when Huckster Carlson is involved, they have no minds).
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:47 am to Damone
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Hard to believe that with all we now know, some still think the US had to drop the bomb(s) to get Japan to capitulate.
The fact that the first one didn't make them quit should tell you all you need to know. Dropping the bombs saved hundreds of thousands of American lives.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 9:32 am to VADawg
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The fact that the first one didn't make them quit should tell you all you need to know. Dropping the bombs saved hundreds of thousands of American lives.
It was estimated that the war would last until 1947 if we hadn't dropped the bombs. Can you imagine the outrage in this nation when people learned we had such a weapon and didn't use it and instead accepted many hundreds of thousands of allied soldiers deaths?
My father and 3 uncles were WW2 vets. All my friends in school had family that served. They had a far different opinion than many here about bombing Japan.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 9:50 am to RollTide1987
Why do we need purity tests on the right? He believes something you don't. OH NOES!!! NOT MUH PEARLZ!!!
Get over it. We don't have to agree on everything. We're not the robots here.
Get over it. We don't have to agree on everything. We're not the robots here.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 9:52 am to BuckyCheese
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Dead Japanese or dead Americans?
Drop em.
As Metallica's "Am I Evil" is playing in my head.
The irony is some folks--not you--defending the atomic bombs are also be some of the same folks saying what Israel is doing to Gaza is "genocide."
This post was edited on 4/22/24 at 10:06 am
Posted on 4/22/24 at 10:04 am to Robin Masters
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And don’t forgot Dec 7, 1941 was unprovoked.
Japan attacked military targets though. Still horrible and brutal the way we did it... dropping nukes on thousand of civilians to send a message is pretty savage. I get both sides of this controversy. I lean more toward the necessary evil opinion of it and that it likely prevented many more war casualties in the long run. Also, it let other countries know if you come at us, you're going to pay. So, likely prevented future attacks against us, as well as ushered in the era of mutually assured destruction where nuclear powers do not go to war with each other.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 10:22 am to WonTonDonWon
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The world was in TOTAL war
No it wasn't, Europe was already in armistice; China was reclaimed; etc.
It was the world vs. a reeling Japan by August.
Sure, Japan might not have surrendered, but they might have.
And on the basis of "TOTAL WAR is OK to kill civilians by any government" then it could be of the opinion right now we are in TOTAL WAR. So under your own argument, you support a regime financially LEADING conflicts in multiple theaters of war. You are a target for moral mass casualty under your own logic.
Good luck with that.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 10:23 am to Damone
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Tuck is right again.
Hard to believe that with all we now know, some still think the US had to drop the bomb(s) to get Japan to capitulate.
Zackly right. And yes, Tucker is right. We can NOT condone the immorality of what was frivolous mass murder based on lies and the power of suggestion.
For almost my entire life I had supported and believed this narrative and notion , "But...but...The A-Bombs that incinerated hundreds of thousands of Japanese citizens SAVED MILLIONS OF LIVES!"
The KEY to this riddle -- as you so noted, Damone: "with all we NOW know".
And what is THE answer to the Key to the riddle?
We have clearly been lied to for decades if not longer by a Global Cabal of Shadow Overlords and profiteering, cigar-puffing MIC ghouls who have demonized (and mass-murdered) an innocent citizenry...
These same citizenry have had nothing to do with their own respective gubmint Cabal forever timeline of war-mongering declarations and policies (Anecdotal Proof: see US Goobermint policies & agenda vs Consent of People, 2024).
Posted on 4/22/24 at 10:41 am to bigjoe1
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It was estimated that the war would last until 1947 if we hadn't dropped the bombs.
AND...whom do you think might have made that convenient "estimate" along with the oft-parroted, "AND saved hundreds of thousands of American lives!"?
(It wouldn't happen to be the same "analysts" who happened to have ties to a self-serving, profiteering-on-death & destruction MIC?)
Today's MO:
LET'S USE THE MIC TO DESTROY PEOPLE & INFRASTRUCTURE (and then rebuild it with American Taxpayer Money).
This sneaky diabolic profiteering / merc plan first begin in earnest after bombing the hell out of both German and Japanese civilian centers, non-military installations and cities when it was clear both were already badly beaten at the end of WW2...
It appeared refined as the MIC eventually began bombing and destroying (see: Haliburton) Iraqi cities and their infrastructure (for no good reason or rationale.)
This post was edited on 4/22/24 at 10:42 am
Posted on 4/22/24 at 10:43 am to Adam Banks
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and hates America
Hes a pussy. Tucker wouldnt fight if his wealth depended on it.
A land invasion of Japan would have been unfathomable.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 10:46 am to NC_Tigah
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In contrast to Tucker's idiotic viewpoint, the Hiroshima/Nagasaki actions were far and away the most humane way of ending an inhumane war.
Yeah.
Incinerating two cities worth of hundreds of thousands of innocent Japanese people & cities was exactly how I'd describe "humane".
OH WAIT.
And btw, Nagasaki coincidentally boasted a large Christian population. (I don't find its being targeted any coincidence at all, knowing what we know about who was in charge of war decisions.)
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