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Would you be bothered if you learned your son/daughter didn't stand for the pledge?
Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:22 pm
As a teacher and a son of a veteran, it absolutely infuriates me every morning when these 13-14-15 - year old students refuse to stand for the pledge and there's not a thing I can do about it.
I've many times thought about contacting the parents just to inform them of their child's actions, but that's a very slippery slope and could backfire and possibly even cost me my career, if they claim I'm infringing on their child's freedom of speech rights. Unfortunately, that's the times we live in.
So as a parent, would you want to know if your child was not standing for the pledge or do you think it's the child's decision? Just curious to hear from parents on the matter.
I've many times thought about contacting the parents just to inform them of their child's actions, but that's a very slippery slope and could backfire and possibly even cost me my career, if they claim I'm infringing on their child's freedom of speech rights. Unfortunately, that's the times we live in.
So as a parent, would you want to know if your child was not standing for the pledge or do you think it's the child's decision? Just curious to hear from parents on the matter.
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Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:26 pm to SwampyWaters
DGAF. Most only do it because they are told to and are just going through the motion. Stand or don’t stand, government doesn’t give a frick about veterans either way which is a more important issue to get upset about
This post was edited on 4/22/24 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:27 pm to SwampyWaters
Im not a parent- but i did have a grandparent who fought in Korea so that we could all have the right to stand, or to not stand, for the pledge or for any other ritual .. so i say let ‘em exercise their freedom to sit if they want to .
Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:29 pm to SwampyWaters
Hell no. I think the pledge for children is a bit cultish. I'm not pledging allegiance to any government. They need to be allegiant to the people.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:29 pm to SwampyWaters
I'd be pretty disappointed that I failed as a parent.
Lots of good men and women died for our freedom.
They even gave us the freedom to be disrespectful and act stupid, which some of those people do.
Lots of good men and women died for our freedom.
They even gave us the freedom to be disrespectful and act stupid, which some of those people do.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:31 pm to SwampyWaters
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if they claim I'm infringing on their child's freedom of speech rights. Unfortunately, that's the times we live in.
Imagine thinking that your inability to infringe on their freedoms is the bad part.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:32 pm to SwampyWaters
I would. I think it's an important step to unification of our country. We should all be proud. But there's a culture that would rather unite behind hate, anger, race, political party instead of acceptance and unification.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:33 pm to SwampyWaters
quote:you can learn to worry about your own business. you could also learn not to be a dancing monkey. you say the pledge bc you were conditioned to do so. no other reason. you probably think you're an independent thinking person, though.
there's not a thing I can do about it.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:38 pm to SwampyWaters
Your veteran parent defended that individuals right to ignore it. There’s always a blessing in disguise. Americans take a lot of things for granted. It may mean more one day, maybe not.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:40 pm to SwampyWaters
The pledge is gay.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:44 pm to SwampyWaters
Blind devotion to your country is dangerous
Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:48 pm to SwampyWaters
yes. my children will be standing for the pledge out of respect for their family members who served. other’s children can stand or not stand, that’s on them. justify it however you want.
thank frick
quote:
Im not a parent
thank frick
This post was edited on 4/22/24 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:55 pm to SwampyWaters
quote:
I've many times thought about contacting the parents just to inform them of their child's actions, but that's a very slippery slope and could backfire and possibly even cost me my career, if they claim I'm infringing on their child's freedom of speech rights. Unfortunately, that's the times we live in.
Punishing a kid for not standing is a violation of West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette that was decided and has been upheld since 1943. The premise of the ruling was based upon the protection of Jehovah Witnesses whose beliefs state they do not pledge to any symbol or object. Their objection was based on their persecution in Nazi Germany for objecting to pledge to the Nazi flag.
This isn’t something that’s the “times we live in”.
This post was edited on 4/22/24 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:02 pm to SwampyWaters
I would tear their azz up!
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:05 pm to SwampyWaters
Would I be mad at my kid for doing it? Probably, because they don't understand why they are doing it. If they had a legitimate answer, I would probably disagree but be fine.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:06 pm to SwampyWaters
Government is more focused on immigrants keeping the flock of sheep moving up the hill. And then pushing us off
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:06 pm to SwampyWaters
Standing together and saying a pledge to the country is awful Soviet sounding
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:07 pm to SwampyWaters
I would want to know, only to understand his reasoning for not standing. If he can articulate a reason he feels is valid that I could at the very least understand then so be it. If he's just doing it because its cool then I would try to use it as a teaching moment.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:10 pm to SwampyWaters
I used to feel a sense of pride when I looked at the flag. I don't feel like it stands for what it did 30 years ago though.
My kids are elementary school aged, so I would expect that they see it as a sign of disrespect to not stand for the pledge, but I'm being totally honest here, I think I understand it now. I expect to get down voted to hell, but why am I pledging allegiance to a country that is once again funding endless wars, taxing it's citizens to fund a better way of life for non-citizens in this country than some citizens have, run by kangaroo courts that allow for political persecution and rendering verdicts without an opportunity for the defendants to defend themselves..... I really could keep going.
Am I pledging allegiance to what the country is now, what it used to be, or as a symbol of what it once was?
My kids are elementary school aged, so I would expect that they see it as a sign of disrespect to not stand for the pledge, but I'm being totally honest here, I think I understand it now. I expect to get down voted to hell, but why am I pledging allegiance to a country that is once again funding endless wars, taxing it's citizens to fund a better way of life for non-citizens in this country than some citizens have, run by kangaroo courts that allow for political persecution and rendering verdicts without an opportunity for the defendants to defend themselves..... I really could keep going.
Am I pledging allegiance to what the country is now, what it used to be, or as a symbol of what it once was?
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:19 pm to SwampyWaters
What should happen to all the people who don’t mean the pledge they are making?
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