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Would someone please explain the crimes Trump committed?

Posted on 4/26/24 at 10:46 am
Posted by rebeloke
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 4/26/24 at 10:46 am
He is in court in NY defending himself against allegedly falsifying financial records in order to commit a crime. So where is the crime?

He is being accused of trying to overthrow an election, and instigating Jan 6. Again, where is the crime?

Any assistance you may offer would be much appreciated.
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
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Posted on 4/26/24 at 10:48 am to
It was her turn dammit. That’s about all I can think of.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/26/24 at 10:48 am to
quote:

He is in court in NY defending himself against allegedly falsifying financial records in order to commit a crime. So where is the crime?


Instead of paying his attorney (or women) directly with a set payment, he had his attorney make payments. Then the attorney sent invoices to Trump for random amounts as a retainer fee. This was all done to disguise the payments from the company to the women (for plausible deniability, presumably).

The wacky NY records law has an expansive view of fraudulent business records, and the allegation is that the obfuscations I posted above was fraud, per the statute.
Posted by L1C4
The Ville
Member since Aug 2017
13244 posts
Posted on 4/26/24 at 10:49 am to
He screwed Hillary out of her turn.
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
30471 posts
Posted on 4/26/24 at 10:49 am to
Threatening the Establishment.

I know you want more. But that is the case.
Posted by Walt OReilly
Poplarville, MS
Member since Oct 2005
124694 posts
Posted on 4/26/24 at 10:55 am to
SFP will be here shortly to explain to us

He is so smart
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
19715 posts
Posted on 4/26/24 at 10:56 am to
Such things are in ideological DNA of communists.

Posted by TheFonz
Somewhere in Louisiana
Member since Jul 2016
20470 posts
Posted on 4/26/24 at 11:01 am to
quote:

Would someone please explain the crimes Trump committed?


Posted by CreoleTigerEsq
Noneya
Member since Nov 2007
588 posts
Posted on 4/26/24 at 11:15 am to
quote:

Again, where is the crime?


Trump has been charged under New York Penal Law §175.10, which reads as follows:

A person is guilty of falsifying business records in the first degree when he commits the crime of falsifying business records in the second degree, and when his intent to defraud includes an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof.

So, the state's case hinges on two things -- falsifying business records and falsifying those business records when the intent to defraud includes the intent to commit another crime or aid in its concealment. In this instance, the state is alleging that Trump falsified business records with the intent to commit another crime (which were the FEC crimes to which Michael Cohen pled guilty and served time in prison -- causing an unlawful campaign contribution with his involvement in orchestrating the payment from AMI to Karen McDougal, and making an excessive campaign contribution for the payment to Stormy Daniels).

So, the state has to prove that the business records were falsified (that gets you to a misdemeanor). Then, the state has to prove that the business records were falsified (when the intent to defraud included the intent to commit campaign finance violations or aid in their concealment) -- that gets you to a felony.

That's why he's in court, and that's why, in my opinion, this case will largely depend on the examination of Michael Cohen and testimony surrounding how (and how many) transactions were handled with McDougal and Stormy Daniels and the derivative transactions recorded as legal fees paid by Trump to Cohen.

He could have avoided all of this with a direct payment and an NDA.
This post was edited on 4/26/24 at 1:20 pm
Posted by wickowick
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Posted on 4/26/24 at 11:28 am to
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 4/26/24 at 11:39 am to
quote:

He is in court in NY defending himself against allegedly falsifying financial records in order to commit a crime. So where is the crime?


The crime is related to the 2016 election and is tied to Federal election law that the FEC declined to charge him with.

The record entry error was done AFTER he won, so it had no effect.


It's all very stupid.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 4/26/24 at 11:43 am to
They can explain only what the partisan DA’s have charged him with.
Posted by goatmilker
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Member since Feb 2009
64484 posts
Posted on 4/26/24 at 12:33 pm to
He doesn't give a sh!t about the RNC/DNC uniparty.
Posted by LegalEazyE
Madison, Wisconsin
Member since Nov 2023
2573 posts
Posted on 4/26/24 at 2:15 pm to
OMB, mean tweets, being rich and an alpha and not having to suck the Deep State uniparty establishment dick and do their bidding like a little puppet.
Posted by TigerBaitOohHaHa
Member since Jan 2023
513 posts
Posted on 4/26/24 at 2:15 pm to
They resurrected a misdemeanor financial statement misclassification (I guess that he should have had a separate Expense line item for "Porn star hush money") which was time barred and already ran out the statute of limitations. In order to do this they had to say it was done in the name of election tampering, which is a felony and not time barred. The problem is, in order to say he falsely wrote off an election expense they have to prove that it was even a qualifying election expense, which means he incurred the expense ONLY because he was running for office. You can write off a debate podium but you can't write off a business suit, for example. All he has to say is he didn't want Melania to find out.

That's the best I got.
This post was edited on 4/26/24 at 2:16 pm
Posted by Electricboogaloo2
Member since Mar 2024
74 posts
Posted on 4/26/24 at 3:09 pm to
quote:

He is being accused of trying to overthrow an election, and instigating Jan 6.


Are you suggesting that you should be allowed to successfully overthrow an election before you can be held criminally liable?
Posted by Rza32
Member since Nov 2008
3619 posts
Posted on 4/27/24 at 12:25 pm to
Guilty of being a threat to the Democrats.
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