re: Who’s in the wrong? Police cruiser vs. ATV

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Those chases were unnecessary,

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The classic Soy Milk tree hugger response. FAFO. The shoplifter is now also responsible negligent homicide. THEIR initial poor choices led to unfortunate circumstances

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How ya been, Festus?

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Vette,

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The whole board is apparently now saying there are two sets of laws for the public and police officers. There isn’t.

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fricking tell us what law applies to the cop when trying to save children from your boy with his parked fricking car.

We will wait.

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I have just one question that I ultimately wanted answered before the back and forth.

Where is the line **the law.. the legal standing** between using potential deadly force on a misdemeanor and no?

We can’t do it on simple DUI arrests without another injury. Even with kids present. Was the DUI a danger to pedestrians? Probably imminently?

We can’t on traffic violations.

Many people called Derek Chauvin justified. And I’m about to blow your mind here… I didn’t see imprisoning as necessary at all there with the circumstances at hand. But by people’s point here… he was a cop… he could do it. Well.. he’s in prison. The legal system went another way.

Someone just tell me the line and you have answered my question in this entire thread.

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First, generally stated: a person is justified in using or threatening to use deadly force if he or she reasonably believes that using or threatening to use such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another


Second, the police officer did not use deadly force. The police officer put his car between the ATV driver and the cyclists and pedestrians. The police officer formed a roadblock.



The ATV driver had sufficient distance to stop before hitting the police vehicle. The ATV driver should have been able to stop or avoid colliding with the police vehicle within that distance. Instead, the ATV driver does not appear to have reduced his speed significantly before running into the police vehicle. He hits the police vehicle at a dangerous speed.

If a driver decides to run a roadblock and hits the car forming the roadblock, that is not police use of deadly force. That's suicide.

Third, there's nothing to suggest that the police officer was trying to apprehend or arrest the ATV driver. He left space for the ATV driver to go around him. The police officer was merely trying to protect cyclists and pedestrians. Given the exigencies of the situation and the initial distance between the ATV driver and the police vehicle, the police officer made a reasonable decision to place his vehicle between the ATV driver and the cyclists and pedestrians.

Again, there was sufficient room for the ATV driver to stop before hitting the police vehicle. The police officer did NOT plow into the ATV driver.

If the atv driver was adhering to a residential speed limit he would have been able to stop, take his ticket and avoid the hospital.

That wasn’t his choice though.

The cop deserves a medal.

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I guess, then, they can't ever engage in a high speed chase, even when chasing a murderer on the run. Why, they'd be exceeding the speed limit. Must abide by the same law I do!

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Not what I said at all. They are certainly allowed to chase a felon who has committed another felony.

But per your speed limit scenario, they should not be speeding in routine patrol. Correct?

Chauvin was railroaded and sacrificed to the BLM gods.

But he wasn’t putting his vehicle in between a speeding vehicle and kids.

What a stupid comparison

Found the law yet? Guess what. You won’t.

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Here is just one example: is there any circumstance where it is lawful for you to throw out a spike strip in the road? Because believe it or not, there are circumstances where it is legal for on duty law enforcement to do so.

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And I keep saying they are certainly justified since the perp is fleeing and has racked up multiple felonies.

But what they cannot do is radio ahead and have a guy throw spike strips out just because he was on radar a mile back and the cop is still on the shoulder.

And again to the “it looks evident to me” folks. I thought Chauvin was innocent of murder too. Just incompetent. We see how that turned out.

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i'd consider 86'ing this user name and making an alter and starting over.

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at people thinking I give a damn what they think.

I'm sorry, guys....I gotta know...hey CleverUserName - what do you think about this?

Trooper Stops "Alleged" Drunk Driver - YT

Same Trooper is Awarded