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re: Would you prefer an Elite offense or an Elite defense

Posted on 5/9/24 at 8:47 am to
Posted by inadaze
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 5/9/24 at 8:47 am to
The "preference" for the thread is a false dichotomy as a hypothetical, but yeah, I'll expand on those most recent examples.
Washington struggled slowing down the run last season, but that offense carried them through to the Championship. Then they played Michigan, and the defense got gashed and dominated on the ground.
Defending the run has proven to be a key component to Championship teams over and over again. I posted about this last year. What we saw in the Championship was a continuation of the general pattern.

2023-24 - Michigan - 6 (90.1)
2022-23 - Georgia - 1 (81.2)
2021-22 - Georgia - 2 (80.1)
2020-21 - Alabama - 15 (113.1)
2019-20 - LSU - 23 (126.9)
2018-19 - Clemson - 2 (94.9)
2017-18 - Alabama - 1 (91.7)
2016-17 - Clemson - 23 (135.4)
2015-16 - Alabama - 1 (69.7)
2014-15 - Ohio State - 31 (141.7)

Defending the run was a core component of what Saban built with LSU. Some people forget or overlook that. The zenith was 2003-04 with a massive DL. That's really where Saban's dominant run in college football started.
Many fans and people in the media get enamored by offensive yards and points, but overlook this consistent pattern of Championship programs. I think this is partly due to 3-down fronts. Those big linemen don't typically accumulate a lot of stats and splash plays. But they do enable linebackers to do those things. So it takes a deeper look that doesn't show up in box scores to truly appreciate their value. (Not that a dominant front has to be 3-down. 4-down fronts work too with more disruptive DTs, and lighter DEs who are good at rushing the passer.)
I think there's also some detachment to the true impact of physicality for many.
Not all programs are able to be dominant against the run. LSU is one of the programs that does have the capacity, largely because of in-state and regional recruiting. The programs who are consistently good in this area have a long-term hold strategy to make an investing analogy. They have specific types of players they look for, and there's a thorough developmental process in place. There are guys like Wingo in the portal sometimes, but mainly this has been a developmental process for these programs. The reluctance to embrace the portal overall may have held Clemson back to some degree, but I think it is optimal for the most part in building a dominant front against the run.

Overall, it's really about how the different parts come together to form a complete team. Some strong areas have the capacity to make up for other areas of deficiency.
Posted by TigerMan327
Elsewhere
Member since Feb 2011
5199 posts
Posted on 5/9/24 at 8:49 am to
#1 defense with a #75 Ranked offensive could win a championship

#1 offense with a #75 ranked defense can not.

Special teams plays a big roll here as well though.
Posted by TheDeathValley
New Orleans, LA
Member since Sep 2010
17197 posts
Posted on 5/9/24 at 9:21 am to
Elite Offense over and Elite Defense

Posted by redfish99
B.R.
Member since Aug 2007
16512 posts
Posted on 5/9/24 at 10:46 am to
Look at the calendar. The big number on top answers your question. It’s a new era. O FTW
Posted by DeafJam73
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
18508 posts
Posted on 5/9/24 at 10:55 am to
Being that you didn’t specify that the offense be shite, I’m choosing elite defense with a good offense. Great defenses help offenses a lot more than great offenses help the defense.
Posted by Mayhawman
Somewhere in the middle of SEC West
Member since Dec 2009
10095 posts
Posted on 5/9/24 at 11:02 am to
quote:

school that plays nobodies for 90% of the year.
So Iowa maybe fool's gold D?
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
21963 posts
Posted on 5/9/24 at 3:51 pm to
Elite offense

Last year LSU had the 2nd worst defense in the SEC, ranked only ahead of Vandy. Just having a mediocre SEC defense would've probably meant that LSU doesn't lose to either Ole Miss or Bama and would've went into the SECCG against UGA at 11-1 with the winner going to the playoffs.
Posted by Nix to Twillie
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2015
17835 posts
Posted on 5/9/24 at 3:54 pm to
Both. And the Latin kings.
Posted by chadr07
Pineville, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2015
7982 posts
Posted on 5/9/24 at 4:38 pm to
Other than maybe UGA, idk of any elite defenses since that year or a little before. You just don’t see the elite defenses today like you did since the 2011 LSU/Bama defenses and the years before that.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64468 posts
Posted on 5/9/24 at 4:43 pm to
In olden days D

Modern football O
Posted by MRTigerFan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
4209 posts
Posted on 5/9/24 at 4:55 pm to
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a defense setting the tone and dominating, only to see an inept offense go three and out 8 times per half



Posted by geauxpurple
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2014
12472 posts
Posted on 5/9/24 at 4:57 pm to
It doesn't matter, as long as they win championships. And we have won championships with both. The elite offenses are more fun to watch unless crappy defenses take all the fun out of it. And that has happened too (last year).
Posted by newmexicotiger
Member since Sep 2017
2334 posts
Posted on 5/9/24 at 5:43 pm to
Posted by Treydye08
farmerville
Member since Feb 2023
43 posts
Posted on 5/9/24 at 5:47 pm to
Defense
Posted by ThrowITdeep
The End Zone
Member since Sep 2023
174 posts
Posted on 5/9/24 at 5:50 pm to
Defense.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
7593 posts
Posted on 5/9/24 at 7:06 pm to
quote:

In the year of our Lord 2024 and beyond, it is ridiculous to argue anything other than Offense. There simply is no argument anymore.


is that why Oklahoma has more championships recently than anyone else?


going back to 2015, all but 3 champions have had a top 5 defense (including 2 of the last 3). All but 2 had a top 10 defense.

in the same time frame, 6 teams won it without having a top 5 offense.
5 of those 6 weren’t even in the top 25.


Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
7593 posts
Posted on 5/9/24 at 7:13 pm to
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Again, a top 75 defense


the #1 defense won a Natty last year with the #69 offense.
Posted by Eauxld Geauxld
Mississippi
Member since Dec 2005
1189 posts
Posted on 5/9/24 at 7:21 pm to
Yes!
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
116297 posts
Posted on 5/9/24 at 7:24 pm to
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going back to 2015


Lol
Posted by stuckintexas
austin
Member since Sep 2009
2215 posts
Posted on 5/9/24 at 7:59 pm to
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If could only have one.

Does this mean the other side is the complete opposite like we had last year? Last year was fun to watch with the offense on the field, but if I can have that elite offense and even a decent-middling defense... I'd take that 10/10 times. Probably National Champs last year with a defense ranked 50th-60th rather than 100+. The 2019 team was unstoppable but could also get stops. Having 2 QBs win the Heisman in 5 years shows you a level of performance that's too easy to get used to.

I do believe defense wins championships. I don't want to be the new Oklahoma. This is the SEC, and defense is king. The changing face of college football hasn't changed that this conference has the best defenses in the country. LSU needs to be back to that level.

Still going with elite offense and okay defense. Here's to hoping the Nuss Bus rolls at full speed and Baker can get the defense good enough to be ranked in the top half of the country.
This post was edited on 5/9/24 at 8:01 pm
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