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re: Boy Scouts of America changing name to be more inclusive
Posted on 5/7/24 at 1:29 pm to LazloHollyfeld
Posted on 5/7/24 at 1:29 pm to LazloHollyfeld
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Is there an alternative organization that promotes the traditional outdoors/scouting for boys?
I would also like to know about this. I think scouting in its traditional form is valuable for boys but I think "Scouts America" or whatever is speeding away from that. I can't imagine the emphasis on God and country/ duty will long survive the new regime.
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Posted on 5/7/24 at 1:33 pm to Dam Guide
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There are some GS groups that are very outdoors oriented. There are a lot of moms that really enjoy camping. I volunteer with some amazing moms getting out there in the outdoors and doing all the high adventure stuff with their kids in both the GS and BSA organizations.
My sister was a girl scout, she got the gold award. My mom was a leader. They camped just as much as we did in the Boy Scouts. The Girl Scouts in NOLA used to have two camps, Camp Covington and Camp Whispering Pines, they would to to each at least twice a year, plus places like Land O Pines and other campgrounds. They went to summer camp each year.
Now, today:
1) My kids joined girl scouts a few years ago when they were younger. They did it for a year. Met every two weeks on Saturdays and did arts and crafts. Sold cookies. DId a couple of field trips like to the zoo. They never went camping once. My oldest found out about a girl scout summer camp that was focused on horseback riding and she wanted to do that, and our troop leader basically tried to discourage her. She went anways. At one point I suggested a family camping trip, and I was told by the troop leader, and I quote "this is not the cub scouts, we don't do things like that."
2) A friend of mine has a daughter who is a girl scout in MS. They had to cancel a troop camping trip (it would have been the first one) because they found out at the last minute that it was required that at least one leader take a bunch of food safety classes. Apparently, you can't just cook over an open flame anymore.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 1:37 pm to LSUFanHouston
Yeah. The reason my daughter didn’t do Girls Scouts is because she wanted to do the outdoor stuff and we have friends in Girls Scouts and they never go camping or anything.
We went camping a lot with her pack.
We went camping a lot with her pack.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 1:43 pm to SPEEDY
Scouting has fallen. Sad.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 1:47 pm to Steadyhands
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Are they pretty much done at this point? I don't know a single person with kids in the boyscouts.
Several churches that used to be involved with scouting broke relations with BSA and basically cloned the structure for their own outdoors groups. The Mormons in particular were HEAVILY into supporting scout troops back in the day, and broke off from BSA in 2020 and rolled their own group.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 1:53 pm to LSUFanHouston
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What's he going to do for the next 4-5 years?
I'll tell you what he told his life board of review.
"I want to earn every merit badge..."
Posted on 5/7/24 at 1:53 pm to SPEEDY
I would still encourage parents to look into scouting for their children. Yes, the national organization seems to be out of touch and money-hungry, but there are great local troops out there.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 1:55 pm to LSUFanHouston
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My sister was a girl scout, she got the gold award. My mom was a leader. They camped just as much as we did in the Boy Scouts. The Girl Scouts in NOLA used to have two camps, Camp Covington and Camp Whispering Pines, they would to to each at least twice a year, plus places like Land O Pines and other campgrounds. They went to summer camp each year.
Now, today:
1) My kids joined girl scouts a few years ago when they were younger. They did it for a year. Met every two weeks on Saturdays and did arts and crafts. Sold cookies. DId a couple of field trips like to the zoo. They never went camping once. My oldest found out about a girl scout summer camp that was focused on horseback riding and she wanted to do that, and our troop leader basically tried to discourage her. She went anways. At one point I suggested a family camping trip, and I was told by the troop leader, and I quote "this is not the cub scouts, we don't do things like that."
2) A friend of mine has a daughter who is a girl scout in MS. They had to cancel a troop camping trip (it would have been the first one) because they found out at the last minute that it was required that at least one leader take a bunch of food safety classes. Apparently, you can't just cook over an open flame anymore.
My wife is also gold award. She was in a troop very much like the ones your kids are in and never did the camping thing when she was a kid, so not pushing camping was a thing back then too, troops can be run very differently. She hates camping.
My daughter is in a GS troop right now with my wife as leader. There is a leader in that troop that pushes camping for the girls in that troop, my wife will not tent camp with them. This leader was in the same wood badge course with me in the BSA and is the Scoutmaster for an all girls troop. She really pushes camping and high adventure for her scouts.
I will agree the cub scout and scout programs are much more focused on camping than GS will ever be though.
Find a different girl scout troop if the one your kids joined isn't pushing camping as an activity and you want them camping.
This post was edited on 5/7/24 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 5/7/24 at 1:57 pm to FleurDeLonestar
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If your kid is an Eagle Scout at 13, I’m not so sure it was “earned”
Granted, I slacked and made Eagle right before my 18th birthday, but there’s no way a 13 year old should be an Eagle if the program was run properly
You have no idea of what he's done or how he's done it. Ironically, he was the last of his webelo class to make "Scout" and tenderfoot. Then he got a fire lit under his bum. Only one other scout from his cross over is still with the troop (two moved away and two quit).
The best thing he ever did for his scouting career was take First aid, swimming and pioneering merit badges at his first summer camp two years ago. Those three badges knocked out so many first and second class requirements and put him so far ahead of the curve. During free time at camp that summer, while the other kids were at the trading post or goofing off, he had the ear of one of our scoutmasters checking off rank requirements. That first year at camp he was really home sick and kind of shy around the other kids. I think our adult leaders saw this and worked with him to keep him engaged. We've got some great scoutmasters in our troop.
The other thing that really helped him that summer is my wife had major surgery that year and was in the bed for many weeks. Before her surgery, she signed him up for sports camps every week (bike riding distance from the house). As a result he was able to get the 3 "30 days of physical activity" for tenderfoot, second class and first class that tend to hold a lot of kids up with those ranks.
So when you say it wasn't earned, I'll say even as an Eagle scout you have no idea what you're talking about. Just because you were unmotivated, doesn't mean other kids are as well.
This post was edited on 5/7/24 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 5/7/24 at 1:59 pm to Lonnie Utah
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So when you say it wasn't earned, I'll say even as an Eagle scout you have no idea what you're talking about.
It will always be questioned, even from Eagles, with all the leader requirements and time restraints. That young just sounds like ticking boxes as fast as you can. It's not uncommon and they are arguing currently about it on the BSA reddit about what is too young.
This post was edited on 5/7/24 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 5/7/24 at 2:01 pm to Lonnie Utah
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Those three badges knocked out so many first and second class requirements and put him so far ahead of the curve.
His scoutmaster should jlnot have allowed him to count work twice. If he did it for a merit badge, he is supposed to do it again for the rank.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 2:09 pm to Dam Guide
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It will always be questioned, even from Eagles, with all the leader requirements and time restraints. That young just sounds like ticking boxes as fast as you can. It's not uncommon and they are arguing currently about it on the BSA reddit about what is too young.
A year ago, or even 6 months I might agree with you. But I will say this as a parent. The amount of personal growth he's had in the past six months or so since earning life is amazing.
He still has multiple Eagle required merit badges to earn, so it's not a done deal yet. But one of those is camping and he's done the hardest/most time consuming requirement of that badge, 20 camping nights. I think he's in the mid to high 20's at this point, so he's put his time in there. If you've been in the program, you know the best way to get requirements finished is to go on camping trips...
Posted on 5/7/24 at 2:14 pm to Master of Sinanju
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His scoutmaster should jlnot have allowed him to count work twice. If he did it for a merit badge, he is supposed to do it again for the rank.
Show me where it says that in the BSA requirements. It doesn't In fact it says this:
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Is it permissible to give dual credit for a single activity?
Yes, if the two requirements match up exactly and have the same basic intent. A good example involves First Class requirement 1a (“participate in 10 separate troop/patrol activities”) and Camping merit badge requirement 9a (“camp a total of at least 20 nights”). Nights spent on troop campouts might count toward both requirements, so long as other parts of each requirement are met. (For example, noncamping activities can count for up to four of the First Class activities, but not for the merit badge activities.)
There are some merit badges that require you do them only for the merit badge, but if that's the case, the requirement is clearly spelled out in the MB requirements.
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Note: The meals prepared for Cooking merit badge requirements 4, 5, and 6 will count only toward fulfilling those requirements and will not count toward rank advancement or other merit badges. Meals prepared for rank advancement or other merit badges may not count toward the Cooking merit badge. You must not repeat any menus for meals actually prepared or cooked in requirements 4, 5, and 6.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 2:18 pm to GoldenGuy
quote:the girl scouts’ biggest problem was not being family friendly
have fathers that would prefer they learn something useful
I was a leader for 6 years and I could never take my younger kids with me and my husband had to camp on the other side of the campground
Posted on 5/7/24 at 2:20 pm to GreenRockTiger
fricking bitches 
Posted on 5/7/24 at 2:23 pm to LAblues
Well now they are including everyone so there's that.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 2:26 pm to SPEEDY
Posted on 5/7/24 at 2:48 pm to Lonnie Utah
I do believe I know exactly what I’m talking about as someone who has been there and done that 
I’ll double down and say it really wasn’t earned when you type out a defense like you did. How big is his troop? Is he attaining leadership roles by default or is he actually being voted for over much senior troop members?
I’ll double down and say it really wasn’t earned when you type out a defense like you did. How big is his troop? Is he attaining leadership roles by default or is he actually being voted for over much senior troop members?
Posted on 5/7/24 at 2:56 pm to Lonnie Utah
quote:how long ago was this? There are time requirements now. 4 months as First Class, 6 months as Star, 6 months at Life - plus a leadership role for 6 months but that can be during the time requirements.
Those three badges knocked out so many first and second class requirements and put him so far ahead of the curve.
My husband was an Eagle Scout at 14. My oldest son just made Eagle last year, my next son will be before December when he turns 18.
Not sure if the younger two sons will be able to complete before it all really turns to shite.
I guess it can done at 13 if the troop is on the ball with pumping requirements out. Covid messed up my older 3 boys and our troop sort of lollygags but it is a big troop.
This post was edited on 5/7/24 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 5/7/24 at 3:04 pm to GreenRockTiger
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