re: Offseason Moves

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Acting like CJ is an ok defender b/c of his DRtg is just silly. Sometimes stats don't really show a true representation of what they are trying to show.

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Yeah that's not the argument the poster made. He said he was flat out awful. Which he wasn't. His dbpm was -.3, just below league average, but not flat out awful.

He also posted the highest VORP of his career this year too.

The only problems with CJ are the same with every other fricking player on the team when Zion is out: they aren't as good

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Too busy making game threads to watch CJ get hunted by each OKC starter and get scored on at over a 50% clip?

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Even with that strategy they only averaged 105 ppg against us. So what if CJ was a weak link on defense, the defense still wasn't awful with him on the court, and the defense was absolutely not the problem in the OKC series

But hey, if you want to use a 4 game playoff series with our best player out and our 2nd best player playing like shite as an opportunity to condemn cj go for it. Show your arse.

It's a bit too early to know who wants to make changes. Some of that will depend on how this round of playoffs goes. But for fun, I'd rank my offseason targets in this order:

1. DeJounte Murray Hawks--would package pick(s) and player(s) to get him on Pels. Long PG who shoots threes at good rate and decent % + can handle the ball in crunch time and was a good defender in SA. Problem is Hawks may hold out for Herb in the deal;

2. Jarrett Allen Cavs--I'd offer Ingram in a deal for Allen. We should also get a pick back in the deal. If ended offseason with Murray + Allen I'd be very happy;

3. Darius Garland Cavs. Secondary target, but I like his game and think he'd match well with Zion. He's small and has been injured, but he can pass and score at a high level and can run an offense. He'd be a big upgrade, but if you paired him with CJ, that's all gas, no D...;

4.Onyeka Okongwu Hawks Another secondary target but if you could expand a deal with the Hawks to get Murray and Okongwu that would be a nice package that addresses some critical needs for Pels;

5. Tyler Herro Heat. If Pat Riley is as pissed off as he seems, the player out of Miami I'd want isn't Jimmy Butler, it's Herro. CJ actually put up better shooting numbers than Tyler and is a Heat kind of guy, so CJ + a pick for Herro and possibly Jokic might be doable...;

Wild Card: The suggestion of using Zion as bait is out there, but if you could do a deal with Rockets for say Sengun & Green, Pels become a wild team with CJ/Green/Herb/BI/Sengun + Trey/Hawk/Dyson off the bench. Far fetched but fun idea. Hey, Griff did say they'd explore all options...

You use Zion out as excuse. What is your excuse for the LAL play in game where we lost by 4 with CJ shooting 1-9 from 3. He is the antithesis of clutch. He disappears when you need him

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What is your excuse for the LAL play in game where we lost by 4 with CJ shooting 1-9 from 3. He is the antithesis of clutch. He disappears when you need him

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Whats that got to do with him being "flat out awful on defense?" Or are you just admitting that you were wrong about that?

Lol no, I am not taking back that CJ is by far and away the worst defender on the team. You were using Zion being out to excuse his terrible performance against OKC but when Zion last played against Lakers CJ went 1-9 from 3

Damn, my man WIKSF has never watched a Pels game. Who would have thought

Fire Willie green and let Antonio Daniels become head coach (always was his goal.) Draft a center and find a floor general.

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I don’t hate this take. If there was a time to trade Zion, it would be after he just played 70 games in a season. I have serious doubts about Zion’s longevity and play style.

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I was talking to guys at my work about this today. And I would add that he could come back next season as”fat” Zion. I would expect we could get a kings ransom right now

If we trade Zion we may as well sell and relocate the team.