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re: First baseman had wrong foot on the bag restricting his ability to stretch for the throw

Posted on 5/11/24 at 6:04 pm to
Posted by dkreller
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Posted on 5/11/24 at 6:04 pm to
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Thank you for making my argument for me.

Yeah because catchers are impeccable at fielding those wild pitches.

I see that you’ve begun upvoting yourself. Just take the L man. It’s ok.
This post was edited on 5/11/24 at 6:06 pm
Posted by tigersbb
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Posted on 5/11/24 at 6:09 pm to
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The most difficult catch in that position would be an errant throw to the inside of the field which might sail into the outfield.

The target to throw at is 3-4’ from the bag in fair play. An errant throw further towards second base and all the first baseman has to do is open up his stance or worst case step off to make the catch.


Which is what I said to do but with his right foot against the base. Your comment to open up his stance is what I said is achievable by stretching. I don't believe the throw was 15 feet off target as it seemed to be close enough that it could have been caught with the right foot against the bag. But if not then as you said Jones has to step laterally with his gloved hand leading and should still keep the ball in the field of play.
Posted by dkreller
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Posted on 5/11/24 at 6:13 pm to
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Which is what I said to do but with his right foot against the base. Your comment to open up his stance is what I said is achievable by stretching.

So plan to get trucked. Don’t plan for a routine play.

3-4’ window + 1’ of bag + 8’ right

Ok 13’ off the mark
Posted by tigersbb
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Posted on 5/11/24 at 6:18 pm to
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Again…you’re suggesting that he position himself in a way that makes it more difficult to catch the ball where it SHOULD be thrown.

I am a righty and I played 1st base….not that it means anything to you because you are clearly dug in on this one.


I am 6'3 and also have years of experience playing first base. If the ball is thrown where it should be thrown then neither of us should have an issue of catching it. However my stance allows for the ball to be caught at least a foot farther out which might be the difference in safe o rout. It also allows mor flexibility to reach an errant toss.
Posted by dkreller
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Posted on 5/11/24 at 6:22 pm to
If you have years of experience playing 1st base then you should know that righty vs left means absolute squat in this scenario.

The ONLY advantage a lefty has at 1st base is the quicker tag on pick off attempt. Those are so rarely successful which is why it hasn’t mattered across all levels of baseball for over 20 years.

BTW congrats on your 6’3” status baw
Posted by MOT
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Posted on 5/11/24 at 6:24 pm to
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I am 6'3 and also have years of experience playing first base.
Congratulations on doing it wrong for all those years.

ETA: I hope you understand the point about stretching isn’t being lost on anyone. On a throw from most places on the field you are correct and no one would disagree with it, but in that situation you are just flat wrong.
This post was edited on 5/11/24 at 6:26 pm
Posted by tigersbb
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Posted on 5/11/24 at 6:24 pm to
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So plan to get trucked. Don’t plan for a routine play.



What ? I said to place his foot against the bag at the corner inside the field and not straddling the bag. If the throw is errant up the line he moves forward and catches it. If it is truly 13 feet off the base then it makes no difference he likely doesn't get a glove on it but he clearly has a better chance by doing what I said.
Posted by dkreller
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Posted on 5/11/24 at 6:28 pm to
It was pitch and catch and Milazzo shite the bed.

Only Gumby could’ve made that play.

End of discussion
Posted by tigersbb
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Posted on 5/11/24 at 6:28 pm to
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If you have years of experience playing 1st base then you should know that righty vs left means absolute squat in this scenario.


Actually being right handed would be a distinct advantage in this scenario as the glove on the left hand would extend farther up the line toward the errant throw. A lefthander would have to stretch across his body to reach the ball. The reverse is true , though if the errant throw is toward the infield side .
Posted by dkreller
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Posted on 5/11/24 at 6:30 pm to
If it is on the infield side IT IS NOT ERRANT

Eta Well by Milazzo standards, yes it would’ve been errant.
This post was edited on 5/11/24 at 6:33 pm
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 5/11/24 at 6:31 pm to
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I am 6'3 and also have years of experience playing first base.


Co-ed, slow pitch?
Posted by tigersbb
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/11/24 at 6:35 pm to
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It was pitch and catch and Milazzo shite the bed.

Only Gumby could’ve made that play


Vic Power, Eddie Murray, Mark Texeria and the Boomer himself George Scott would have made the play and they are all right handers.
Posted by dkreller
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Posted on 5/11/24 at 6:37 pm to
They must’ve all watch Tom Emanski videos like you.
Posted by tigersbb
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Posted on 5/11/24 at 6:39 pm to
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If it is on the infield side IT IS NOT ERRANT

Eta Well by Milazzo standards, yes it would’ve been errant.


If the throw is catchable with the first baseman's foot in contact with the bag the throw is not errant, its just not perfect. This is not gymnastics so toe points and body lines are not relevant if the throw beats the runner with the foot in contact with the bag.
Posted by hayden7cub
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Posted on 5/11/24 at 6:39 pm to
Playing 1B with only one foot is incorrect. First basemen should be able to use both feet and actually shift to use the entire bag - left side and right side. And, you can cover more area using both feet. Jones also commits before the ball is in the air and that’s an issue.
Posted by dkreller
Laffy
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Posted on 5/11/24 at 6:41 pm to
I’m starting to think you didn’t even watch the play and are just assuming the footwork.
Posted by tigersbb
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Posted on 5/11/24 at 6:42 pm to
quote:

I am 6'3 and also have years of experience playing first base.


Co-ed, slow pitch?


All levels but the principals are the same in a play like this.

You even failed at trying to be snarky.
Posted by dkreller
Laffy
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Posted on 5/11/24 at 6:44 pm to
Link me one video of a 1st baseman using footwork like you suggest.

Just one
Posted by zuluboudreaux
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Posted on 5/11/24 at 6:44 pm to
When will this nonsense end?
The game was over yesterday.
Quit living in the past.
Posted by dkreller
Laffy
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Posted on 5/11/24 at 6:46 pm to
6’3” tigersbb fields at 1st like he’s expecting a pick play.
This post was edited on 5/11/24 at 6:47 pm
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