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re: Draft lottery
Posted on 5/12/24 at 3:07 pm to supe12sta12z
Posted on 5/12/24 at 3:07 pm to supe12sta12z
It’s Detroit.
They have managed to find a way to frick things up repeatedly for over a decade now.
They have managed to find a way to frick things up repeatedly for over a decade now.
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Posted on 5/12/24 at 3:08 pm to teke184
You guys need to stop thinking about TPEs, that is something you would use later, like at the deadline. They aren’t going into the season with $30 million in their pocket. What would happen is they would try to expand the trade. Remember the “put it in the Memphis trade” memes?
I still think Dejounte Murray should be the top realistic target and he could be added to a Detroit trade. I’m not sure who the target would be at 5 though.
I still think Dejounte Murray should be the top realistic target and he could be added to a Detroit trade. I’m not sure who the target would be at 5 though.
This post was edited on 5/12/24 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 5/12/24 at 3:11 pm to TigerinATL
I know you can expand the trade but what I mean is “What 30m of ballast could we bring in using the assets we have?”
That trade brings us a starting quality big. We would still need a point, a microwave, and probably a backup big.
That trade brings us a starting quality big. We would still need a point, a microwave, and probably a backup big.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 3:12 pm to Mad Scientist26
Sure fire potential all stars? Probably not. But those sure fire all star guys from every draft usually don't reach all star level anyways. Most of these guys will need to go to the right team with the right fit and development to maximize their potential which can exceed their draft potential. I only trust a hand full of teams in the league that can develop well enough for that possibility.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 3:13 pm to TigerinATL
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I’m not sure who the target would be at 5 though.
Depends on who goes in the first four or if a team will accept our 2024 first to move back some spots.
I don’t know if the talent tier is defined well enough yet to see where the big drop offs in talent are, but the hype train seems to drop off after 4.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 3:36 pm to TigerinATL
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I’m not sure who the target would be at 5 though.
The target would be a veteran you can get with it and other things.
If they actually kept it…the dream is probably Reed Sheppard
Posted on 5/12/24 at 3:51 pm to Fun Bunch
The biggest issue I have with a high draft pick is Willie Green.
He doesnt actually coach draft picks
He doesnt actually coach draft picks
Posted on 5/12/24 at 4:44 pm to 50_Tiger
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The biggest issue I have with a high draft pick is Willie Green. He doesnt actually coach
You could’ve just stopped there.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 8:56 pm to Macintosh504
not good enough, or bad enough to get new young talent-like the Saints
Posted on 5/12/24 at 9:01 pm to Mad Scientist26
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But are they any potential all stars in this draft?
There’s at least one all star in the first 5 picks of every draft.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 9:06 pm to TeddyPadillac
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There’s at least one all star in the first 5 picks of every draft.
The one exception may be 2013 draft (Giannis) but I think Oladipo made an all star team even though it wasnt with the team that drafted him. The other 4 guys were complete trash.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 8:44 am to TigerinATL
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Remember the “put it in the Memphis trade” memes?
Sure do
Posted on 5/13/24 at 8:49 am to 50_Tiger
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The biggest issue I have with a high draft pick is Willie Green. He doesnt actually coach draft picks
Yup which is why I am skeptical they really want a top 5 pick. Maybe they want it to flip for vets, but with Willie he probably wants nothing but journeymen vets that play hard with the pick.
I’d personally want Topic, but I know Topic will be a Spur and if he is good they have a new dynasty in 5 years.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 9:07 am to Pels_Yaz
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The one exception may be 2013 draft (Giannis) but I think Oladipo made an all star team even though it wasnt with the team that drafted him. The other 4 guys were complete trash.
Also, that allstar is typically in the first 3 picks.
The 4th and 5th pick is so much risk. You are more likely to draft a bust as you are a high level starter.
4 & 5 last few years:
Murray and Ivey
Barnes and Suggs
Pat Williams and Okoro
Hunter and Garland
JJJ and Trae
Josh Jackson and Fox
Bender and Dunn
Porzingis and Hezosomethingnotintheleagueanymore
Aaron Gordon and Exum
Cody Zeller and Alex Len (2013 shitty draft)
Dion Waiters and Thomas Robinson
Tristan Thompson and JV
Wesley Johnson and Cousins
26 all-stars in the first 5 picks, 9 of which were the #1 pick, 10 were from 2/3 and 7 from 4/5.
26 out of 65 selections. It's not bad odds if you trust your scouting department, and even when you don't get an all-star there's plenty of good role players as well.
But again, what's the point of this risk? If you're picking 4 or 5 you have a 25% chance you might draft someone who can reach the level BI has reached.
We aren't rebuilding. We have the next 3 years to prove to Zion we can win a championship or he's bolting. If we fail, it's either b/c he isn't good enough, or b/c we didn't give him the supporting cast after trading away our 2nd best player to get to that level.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 9:16 am to TeddyPadillac
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But again, what's the point of this risk? If you're picking 4 or 5 you have a 25% chance you might draft someone who can reach the level BI has reached.
Because to me the goal isn’t to get someone who is exactly BIs level- the goal is to find a player who fits this team better and makes us a better overall team. To me its main reason you’re trading BI to begin with.
Also you have to consider the trade as a whole. Meaning its not just the draft pick but also the player you’re getting from the team for BI. So the question is can the draft pick and the player you get be a better fit and make your team better than BI?
Posted on 5/13/24 at 9:46 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:Reallocate where you're money is spent.
But again, what's the point of this risk? If you're picking 4 or 5 you have a 25% chance you might draft someone who can reach the level BI has reached.
I get that we're an over the cap team but trading BI if it's truly for 1 draft pick and then expiring salary filler types, does free up a lot of money that can be reallocated potentially in another future trade. Again, these guys don't have to be as good as BI, they can be better fits and not quite as good, that's ok.
Plus, as a small market team, where you're never getting a star type player unless it's lucking out in the draft, it's another swing at it. Small market teams should take as many swings as they possibly can(reasonably speaking of course)
Like our previous discussions, I'm not saying this is THE trade that we have to do, I'm just saying that I see the vision. There would need to be more trades in this and next offseason to work off of this one, but I see where they'd be going if they do it.
The other reason, if we were truly a contender "if healthy" then I would be 100% agains this. But we're not. If you're watching the West playoffs right now, it's painfully obvious we can't touch any of these 4 teams playing if we were healthy, and while we can make BI trade that improves the team next season, I just don't see any realistic trade that gives us a realistic shot to come out of the West. So the idea of taking a step back for 1 season to readjust does have some merit to it.
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