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Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:02 am to NoNameNeeded
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Technology and outsourcing are likely the underlying causes of what now appears to be laziness
This is the MSM narrative but the truth is too many of our workers and potential workers have not become knowledgeable enough to fill jobs taken by immigrants specifically imported to handle those positions. Our public education system probably shares some of the blame but the root cause has been a cultural evolution that has not served too many of our people well.
This post was edited on 1/31/14 at 11:04 am
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:03 am to Zach
I'm not sure what that would have to do the Flynn Effect. As a matter of fact, stupid people today have higher IQ than stupid people of the past. Median IQ has increased by three points per decade, almost like clockwork, since we started measuring it.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:03 am to DelU249
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true or false
False. Even if they were all brilliant, when near half of them are COMPLETELY not on the hook for new ideas for spending income tax revenue, then you'll get the results we get.
Even among smart people, goodies at no expense are pretty popular.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:06 am to constant cough
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But we can fix it if we just throw more money at public schools, right?
I know that you're being facetious, but a lack of education isn't the problem.
The problem is with all the people who are smart enough to live good, productive lives even without the old social and moral constraints that developed as the path to a decent and self-respecting life for poor, uneducated people. Those smart, well-born people decided about forty years ago to pretend the world had changed and that we didn't need any of the old rules anymore.
The poor, uneducated people followed their words (if not their actual lead) and abandoned the mores that would have worked for them.
Long story short: we've always had stupid people, but they used to be stupid, hard-working, self-respecting family people who wanted a better life for their kids. Now they are stupid, lazy hedonists who want to get fat and live off of the government while their kids run amok.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:08 am to Powerman
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With every generation we get better.
statistics prove otherwise.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:10 am to DelU249
And the Far Right claims Liberals hate America.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:12 am to BugAC
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statistics prove otherwise.
Link to said statistic proof?
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:12 am to Tigah in the ATL
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A second problem is the belief that the lazy and stupid people are on the other side.
A belief widely held on this board.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:13 am to constant cough
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But we can fix it if we just throw more money at public schools, right?
Public Schools are not the problem.
Shitty parents who are not involved in their kids lives and use school as daycare and TV as a babysitter are.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:16 am to Green Chili Tiger
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Shitty parents who are not involved in their kids lives and use school as daycare and TV as a babysitter are
+ 1,000,000
Which goes along with this statement from above:
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Long story short: we've always had stupid people, but they used to be stupid, hard-working, self-respecting family people who wanted a better life for their kids. Now they are stupid, lazy hedonists who want to get fat and live off of the government while their kids run amok.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:18 am to Green Chili Tiger
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Public Schools are not the problem.
Shitty parents who are not involved in their kids lives and use school as daycare and TV as a babysitter are.
Then why do we keep shoveling money at public schools? Can't we agree that the spending on public schools is misused greatly? Test scores haven't increased in 40 years, yet spending has tripled.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:19 am to Green Chili Tiger
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But we can fix it if we just throw more money at public schools, right?
Public Schools are not the problem.
Many are breeding grounds of crime, but not much you can do but offer kids who want out some kind of choice.
Public schools aren't necessarily the problem but they aren't necessarily the fix.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:29 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Public schools aren't necessarily the problem but they aren't necessarily the fix
If we're going to keep throwing money at schools, shouldn't we look at possibly doing a split high-school plan?
Students would take a test (ex. ASVAB or similar) at the end of their 8th grade year to assess their skills knowledge. Use this along with their 9 (or more) years of school records and see which pathway you would go in as a 9th grader. Those with poor grades and/or behavioral problems would begin a high school curriculum geared towards teaching and refining physical labor skills. Those with good grades would continue on a college prep type of high school curriculum. The ASVAB test could help placement in the curriculums.
If we are going to have kids that never achieve scores good enough to graduate current high school curriculums, we may as well have a skilled labor force who are young and healthy.
Just my .02
This post was edited on 1/31/14 at 11:31 am
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:32 am to bodean45
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Students would take a test (ex. ASVAB or similar) at the end of their 8th grade year to assess their skills knowledge. Use this along with their 9 (or more) years of school records and see which pathway you would go in as a 9th grader. Those with poor grades and/or behavioral problems would begin a high school curriculum geared towards teaching and refining physical labor skills. Those with good grades would continue on a college prep type of high school curriculum. The ASVAB test could help placement in the curriculums.
No offense but I loathe that sort of placement. It's one thing to offer gifted classes, but to segregate the entire school population like that is unfair.
My old high school is doing something similar, and I think it's wrong.
It's worth noting that I'm against the entire notion of government schools.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:37 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Public schools aren't necessarily the problem but they aren't necessarily the fix.
They should never be the fix. The day schools become the fix is the day that all the fears about indoctrination come true.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:39 am to Zach
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The reason we progress is because the smart minority drives innovation and the stupid majority goes along with it because they benefit.
Hasn't this always been the case throughout history though?
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:42 am to Green Chili Tiger
Odd Obama called for federally funded preK in public schools no?
This post was edited on 1/31/14 at 11:54 am
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:43 am to DelU249
True. They also vote.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:50 am to DelU249
And I take back my true. It is true that a sinfucant amount are stupid or lazy, but it is far from the root of all problems.
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