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Cast Iron Dutch Oven Seasoning

Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:36 am
Posted by Trout Bandit
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:36 am
I've recently started baking sourdough bread in my Lodge Dutch Oven. It involves cooking at high temps in the 450-500F range and some of the baked on seasoning has started to flake off resulting in some oxidation etc. I'm going to have to reseason it to protect it from this. Is there an oil or grease I can use to reseason it that won't be affected by the high heat?? I've read about using flaxseed oil but I wanted to get the FDB's opinion. TIA
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
74703 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:39 am to
Avocado oil is supposed to have an insanely high smoking point butnidk if it’s good for seasoning

Also idk if that’s a seasoning issue. I don’t think it’s supposed to be built up to the point of falling off.
This post was edited on 12/13/18 at 9:40 am
Posted by Trout Bandit
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2012
14374 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:45 am to
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I don’t think it’s supposed to be built up to the point of falling off.


I agree. This pot is probably 10 years old and I've never been happy with how it was seasoned. Just want to do it right this time but it needs to be able to handle the high heat.
Posted by colorchangintiger
Dan Carlin
Member since Nov 2005
30979 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:53 am to
Maybe Ghee (485 degree smoke point) or Refined Safflower Oil (510 degree smoke point).
This post was edited on 12/13/18 at 9:56 am
Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 12/13/18 at 10:06 am to
I highly recommend flax seed oil.
Posted by Buckeye06
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/13/18 at 10:10 am to
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flax seed oi


I've been using it for seasoning, but I feel like it gives off a weird fishy/salmon smell after i use it and when i heat the pan back up
Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
14797 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 10:17 am to
quote:

I've been using it for seasoning, but I feel like it gives off a weird fishy/salmon smell after i use it and when i heat the pan back up

It definitely does when you're seasoning it but I haven't noticed that when cooking with it. Anyway, I sort of like that smell.
Posted by Buckeye06
Member since Dec 2007
24103 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 10:31 am to
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It definitely does when you're seasoning it but I haven't noticed that when cooking with it. Anyway, I sort of like that smell.



Hmm I guess I just maybe think about it.

When I'm making pancakes I don't want a fishy aroma anywhere near it. It's a dilemma
Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
14797 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 11:12 am to
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When I'm making pancakes I don't want a fishy aroma anywhere near it.

For sure.

Maybe you're using too much oil when you season it. You should wipe as much off as possible before sticking it in the oven. Or maybe you're not getting it hot enough. I go 550°F for an hour and then let it cool in the oven for another hour.
Posted by Buckeye06
Member since Dec 2007
24103 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 11:25 am to
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Maybe you're using too much oil when you season it. You should wipe as much off as possible before sticking it in the oven. Or maybe you're not getting it hot enough. I go 550°F for an hour and then let it cool in the oven for another hour.



Yea I must not be getting rid of enough of it after i coat
Posted by LEASTBAY
Member since Aug 2007
15587 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 11:39 am to
Flax. Whole foods has it.
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 11:47 am to
Pour a little onto your fingertips, and use your fingers to oil the pot. You can tell exactly how much you've rubbed in, and you won't be using excess since you can feel it. If you pour a bunch in & try to wipe out w/rag or paper towel, you'll end up w/too much.

I bake weekly in a Lodge combo cooker (for 3+ years), and I haven't had to re-season. Of course, the combo cooker is used solely for bread, so it's not being scrubbed w/soap/water, but merely rinsed/dusted. I also put the loaves on round parchment circles to transfer into the heated pot....I'm sure that saves the finish a little. The parchment makes life way easier; you turn the loaf onto the parchment, score, then pick up the edges of the circle and place into the pot. Way easier than trying to invert the loaf & score inside of a hot pot.
Posted by LSU Tiger Bob
South
Member since Sep 2011
3074 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 12:13 pm to
Crisco, lard, canola, etc work well for seasoning cast. iron. Your baking temperatures are not the problem, as that is normal temps for seasoning. For baking your bread, try PAM or Baker's Joy. The bread will release just fine. ~ The collectors, dealers, sellers, buyers, etc of cast iron that I deal with on a regular basis advise against Flax seed oil. While it makes a nice looking finish, it will begin to flake after repeated use. It is used at times for display only cast iron. Obviously you will find those who will disagree saying I've never had any problems. Just be aware that the people who make their living or supplement their income in the cast iron business advise against it.
Posted by NOLATiger71
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2017
1715 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:07 pm to
Please educate me on making bread in a Dutch oven? I just looked online and a little intrigued. Thx
Posted by Trout Bandit
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2012
14374 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:27 pm to
Regular yeasted bread is baked after the yeast has 'risen' the bread. Sourdough is naturally fermented using a starter which contains yeast and bacteria. It's a wet dough(high hydration) that uses steam to cause the bread to rise. So you initially start baking with the lid on then after 20 minutes or so, you remove the lid and let the bread finish baking. That's the gist of it.

ETA I'm not having issues with my bread sticking just some seasoning is flaking off mostly on the interior sides of my pot.
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:27 pm to
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Please educate me on making bread in a Dutch oven? I just looked online and a little intrigued. Thx

For lean breads to develop excellent crust, steam is introduced into the oven during the first minutes of baking. In industrial ovens, special water reservoirs & piping allow the baker to inject steam with the push of a button. In a wood-burning oven, a baker will spray the oven walls with water before sealing the oven for baking.

In a home oven, it is difficult to produce sufficient steam without resorting to pans of lava rocks, boiling water, hot towels, etc. In a gas oven, it's virtually impossible to trap sufficient steam to make an impact on the loaf (gas ovens are vented to allow for complete combustion of the fuel).

So putting a higher-hydration lump of lean dough into a tightly closed vessel (cast iron pot, terra cotta bread cloche, steel graniteware pan, etc) creates a "mini-oven" within the larger oven. The resulting loaves will have awesome oven spring, well-developed crusts, and overall better texture and appearance than a loaf baked without steam.

Note that I said lean dough--you can get lovely crust & oven spring in brioche, American style sandwich loaves, challah, and other enriched doughs without using steam. But lean breads (aka "rustic", "european" style loaves, or baugettes) that are merely flour/water/yeast/salt will only develop their full potential when baked w/steam.
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:31 pm to
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Sourdough is naturally fermented using a starter which contains yeast and bacteria. It's a wet dough(high hydration) that uses steam to cause the bread to rise.

Point of clarification: the steam doesn't make the bread rise per se. The steam prevents the crust from setting too early, which allows for maximum expansion before the the crust 'sets', fixing the external dimensions of the loaf.

You can certainly bake sourdough without using a dutch oven. It will rise beautifully, but the crust will be inferior, and it won't expand to its full potential without steam during the first few minutes of the bake.
Posted by NOLATiger71
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2017
1715 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:57 pm to
Thank you, going to look up some recipes.
Posted by Trout Bandit
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2012
14374 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 2:46 pm to
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the steam doesn't make the bread rise per se.

What does then??
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 3:16 pm to
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What does then??

External application of steam (water vapor) doesn't cause bread to rise.

Dough rises because the growing/reproducing yeast in the dough exhales carbon dioxide, which is trapped in pockets by the dough (gluten gives the dough sufficient strength to keep the gases trapped). Those CO2 gas bubbles trapped inside the dough expand in the oven's heat. Voila, the loaf expands (rises).

Another way to think about it: if steam made bread rise, you wouldn't need yeast. You could simply mix flour & water, knead to develop gluten, and bake it. You can indeed do this, but you will get dense, flattish pancakes rather than rounded loaves. Some pita recipes are unyeasted; those tend to puff like pillows, with one central hollow chamber, rather than a network of holes. Or you'll get something very cracker-like.
This post was edited on 12/13/18 at 3:32 pm
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