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Posted on 5/26/20 at 9:33 pm to IAmNERD
Nobody mentioned - try Rose (Whispering Angel or any rose from Provence). Most rose's are under $30 and are great when paired with pizza or Italian food. Also, a great summer wine in hot weather and on the sweeter side. When I was in Provence, France, I drank my first rose and subsequently had several different varieties of rose while we were there. Some people say it is merely trendy, but I recommend that you try it based upon your wine preferences mentioned above.
Agree on earlier comments - if you like a lighter red, try Pinot Noir. Most Oregon Pinot's are good. I like high-end Pinot's, so I don't have any recommendations in your price point, but look around and taste and you will find several. Pinot Noir is great with Italian food.
Also, try a Malbec. Argentina makes the best Malbec wines, but the Wagner family (makers of Caymus wines in Napa) makes a great Mablec in Napa called Red Schooner sourced from Argentina malbec grapes. Look for Voyage 7 or 8 now. Priced around $40-$50. Can be served with any meat, including steak and also seafood.
Try Faust, made by the Huneeus Vintners family (makers of Quintessa that sells in the upper $175+ range). Price is steadily rising, but should be able to find it around $50 or $55. Great Cabernet for the price. This is my second favorite red in that price point. Great with steak.
Try Caravan by Darioush. A Napa cab blend. Around $40-$50. Favorite red in your price point. Great with steak or any meat.
Try white wines with fish or any type of seafood. Also, works well with fowl or duck. I recommend mostly French white wines from the Burgundy region, especially from the town of Puligney-Montrachet. I thought Burgundy meant red wine before I visited that region. The region has the best white wines on the planet, mostly chardonnay's. Louis Jadot distributes a lot of wine from this region, ranging in prices from $20 to $90.
I echo the other comments on finding a good wine store. Look for Total Wine in a larger Metro area or most towns have a local liquor/wine shop. Get to know the owners or best employees and try as much wine as you can until you find something you like.
Get the ViVino app on your phone. With it you can take a picture of the bottle (including in the store or in a restaurant) and find out the average price and rating of the wine. It is rated by normal wine drinkers (not Sommeliers). On their 5 point scale, anything over 4.0 is normally very good. If it is rated 4.5 and above, it is normally excellent. It also stores all of the wines that you have taken a picture of and the ratings. It helps in restaurants to see how bad the restaurant is gouging on price.
In Louisiana, most good restaurants allow you to bring in your own wine with a $25 corkage fee. Most wines are priced 200% of retail in a restaurant. If you pay $40 for a bottle at a liquor store and then pay $25 corkage, that $65 total price is normally less than the $80 the restaurant would have charged. We can't bring wine into restaurants in Texas.
Warning - wine tasting and drinking is addictive. Before you know it, you have 100 - 200 bottles and spend $4,000 on a great wine refrigerator (EuroCave) to protect your $25,000 wine investment and your kids develop very expensive wine tastes. Which is also very fun. I buy wine to drink it, not to save and invest in it. I buy wines that I enjoy and from places that I have visited. It brings me back to that vineyard when I open a bottle. When I pair it with a great home cooked meal, my heart is full.
Cheers.
Agree on earlier comments - if you like a lighter red, try Pinot Noir. Most Oregon Pinot's are good. I like high-end Pinot's, so I don't have any recommendations in your price point, but look around and taste and you will find several. Pinot Noir is great with Italian food.
Also, try a Malbec. Argentina makes the best Malbec wines, but the Wagner family (makers of Caymus wines in Napa) makes a great Mablec in Napa called Red Schooner sourced from Argentina malbec grapes. Look for Voyage 7 or 8 now. Priced around $40-$50. Can be served with any meat, including steak and also seafood.
Try Faust, made by the Huneeus Vintners family (makers of Quintessa that sells in the upper $175+ range). Price is steadily rising, but should be able to find it around $50 or $55. Great Cabernet for the price. This is my second favorite red in that price point. Great with steak.
Try Caravan by Darioush. A Napa cab blend. Around $40-$50. Favorite red in your price point. Great with steak or any meat.
Try white wines with fish or any type of seafood. Also, works well with fowl or duck. I recommend mostly French white wines from the Burgundy region, especially from the town of Puligney-Montrachet. I thought Burgundy meant red wine before I visited that region. The region has the best white wines on the planet, mostly chardonnay's. Louis Jadot distributes a lot of wine from this region, ranging in prices from $20 to $90.
I echo the other comments on finding a good wine store. Look for Total Wine in a larger Metro area or most towns have a local liquor/wine shop. Get to know the owners or best employees and try as much wine as you can until you find something you like.
Get the ViVino app on your phone. With it you can take a picture of the bottle (including in the store or in a restaurant) and find out the average price and rating of the wine. It is rated by normal wine drinkers (not Sommeliers). On their 5 point scale, anything over 4.0 is normally very good. If it is rated 4.5 and above, it is normally excellent. It also stores all of the wines that you have taken a picture of and the ratings. It helps in restaurants to see how bad the restaurant is gouging on price.
In Louisiana, most good restaurants allow you to bring in your own wine with a $25 corkage fee. Most wines are priced 200% of retail in a restaurant. If you pay $40 for a bottle at a liquor store and then pay $25 corkage, that $65 total price is normally less than the $80 the restaurant would have charged. We can't bring wine into restaurants in Texas.
Warning - wine tasting and drinking is addictive. Before you know it, you have 100 - 200 bottles and spend $4,000 on a great wine refrigerator (EuroCave) to protect your $25,000 wine investment and your kids develop very expensive wine tastes. Which is also very fun. I buy wine to drink it, not to save and invest in it. I buy wines that I enjoy and from places that I have visited. It brings me back to that vineyard when I open a bottle. When I pair it with a great home cooked meal, my heart is full.
Cheers.

Posted on 5/26/20 at 9:40 pm to WacoTiger
Oregon has some good Pinot Noirs
Posted on 5/26/20 at 10:09 pm to IAmNERD
Prisoner or Palermo
I like Machete as well. I have a bottle of 8 years in the desert haven’t gotten into yet, normally not a Zin guy, but its Orin F’in Swift so I’m sure it will be amazing
Three Amigos by Sinskey and Del Dotto Pinot are the only two I really care for
I like Machete as well. I have a bottle of 8 years in the desert haven’t gotten into yet, normally not a Zin guy, but its Orin F’in Swift so I’m sure it will be amazing
Three Amigos by Sinskey and Del Dotto Pinot are the only two I really care for
This post was edited on 5/26/20 at 10:25 pm
Posted on 5/26/20 at 10:21 pm to ItNeverRains
Prisoner is definite must to at least try. 19 crimes is another good red blend in a $10 - $15 range
Posted on 5/26/20 at 10:21 pm to WacoTiger
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Caravan by Darioush
Did we just become best friends?


This post was edited on 5/26/20 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 5/27/20 at 7:51 am to IAmNERD
Kendalll Jackson 2018 Grand Reserve Chardonnay. Not to be confused with Vintners Reserve. Make sure it’s Grand Reserve. It’ll come in under $20 and it’s fantastic.
This post was edited on 5/27/20 at 7:54 am
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:15 am to ItNeverRains
I love the Darioush Signature Cabernet Sauvignon (2011 was especially good), but it was out of her price range. Yes, we could be wine drinking buddies. Good taste. 

Posted on 5/27/20 at 11:49 am to IAmNERD
If you’re a newbie wine drinker and especially as a sweet wine drinker, you should set your price limit at $25.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 12:13 pm to jfw3535
Just got this from LastBottle - anyone know what the LA thing is based on? It's a 2016 red blend from Cerro and brags about Caymus connection.
Sounds like something I wouldn't like, but for those who like Conundrum, Caymus, etc. it might be a buy
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Louisiana, this one's for YOU!! Go Tigers! OK, it’s for everyone, really, who is savvy enough and fast enough to grab some (you saw that price, right? For a gusto-filled powerhouse Napa blend? Bit of a head-spinner, yeah??), but we have some hardcore Cerro fans down that way, and rightly so. And whether you hail from Lettsworth, Sacramento, Boulder, or anywhere in between --- do EVERYTHING in your considerable power to grab some of this outrageously rich, silky and deeply satisfying bottle of vinous goodness --- get it NOW, hurry, and come back for the deets!
Sounds like something I wouldn't like, but for those who like Conundrum, Caymus, etc. it might be a buy
Posted on 5/27/20 at 12:30 pm to IAmNERD
I love Joseph phelps cabernet. It can range from 55-60. It is superb. Big bold cab
Posted on 5/27/20 at 12:41 pm to IAmNERD
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Give me your best wine under $50...
Cheap Wine - Coppola Rosso - $12 table wine red blend that i love. It's perfect for cooking at the house and sipping on something.

More expensive wine - the cuttings (about $40)

Stag's Leap - The Investor (about $34)
Posted on 5/27/20 at 1:41 pm to Pettifogger
I've recently taking a liking to the Emmolo Merlot and see you've mentioned Caymus a few times in this thread.
Any other suggestions that you might be able to make similar to that one?
Any other suggestions that you might be able to make similar to that one?
Posted on 5/27/20 at 2:03 pm to kclandcruiser
I don't really know a ton about California wine outside of a few producers but TH03 probably does.
Based on my drinking, a ton of modern Napa cabs will have that big style that you get with Wagner wines (Emmolo/Caymus) because it's what sells right now. Oaky, high alcohol, ripe/fruitbomb, etc.
Someone else mentioned Darioush, which in my limited experience is in that style. Belle Glos is probably the pinot equivalent.
FWIW those are wines I tend to avoid so I'm kind of giving you the opposite of my palate and I'm probably not the best for recommendations. Parker tended to score those wines highly (so for review purposes that could help). Jeff Leve at Wine Cellar Insider is a fan of that style I think, and his site has a ton of info/reviews (and is free). I think he's more Bordeaux-centric than California, but could be a good resource.
Based on my drinking, a ton of modern Napa cabs will have that big style that you get with Wagner wines (Emmolo/Caymus) because it's what sells right now. Oaky, high alcohol, ripe/fruitbomb, etc.
Someone else mentioned Darioush, which in my limited experience is in that style. Belle Glos is probably the pinot equivalent.
FWIW those are wines I tend to avoid so I'm kind of giving you the opposite of my palate and I'm probably not the best for recommendations. Parker tended to score those wines highly (so for review purposes that could help). Jeff Leve at Wine Cellar Insider is a fan of that style I think, and his site has a ton of info/reviews (and is free). I think he's more Bordeaux-centric than California, but could be a good resource.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 2:34 pm to Pettifogger

Posted on 5/27/20 at 4:03 pm to kclandcruiser
If you tend towards Merlot, the Duckhorn Merlot Napa Valley Three Palms Vineyard 2014 was the Wine Spectator Wine of the Year. However, it sells for over $100 per bottle, if you can find it.
You might also look at wines from the Bordeaux region on France, which are primarily (45/45) blends of cabernet sauvignon and merlot grapes (with other small varieties mixed in). The high end Bordeaux's are very expensive ($200++), but there are several that you can find in stores that are under $75. Look for the region and try that style. These wines will not be as heavy as a Napa Cabernet.
Caravan by Darioush is 60% Cabernet Sauvignon, 20% Merlot, 20% Cabernet Franc. Not a true "Bordeaux Blend", but close. Also, not a Cabernet Sauvignon. You cannot call it a Cabernet Sauvignon wine unless it contains at least 75% Cabernet Sauvignon grapes. You can find it for around $50 in a lot of store, but the price keeps rising. I paid $35 per bottle several years ago. My young adult children love it at that price point.

You might also look at wines from the Bordeaux region on France, which are primarily (45/45) blends of cabernet sauvignon and merlot grapes (with other small varieties mixed in). The high end Bordeaux's are very expensive ($200++), but there are several that you can find in stores that are under $75. Look for the region and try that style. These wines will not be as heavy as a Napa Cabernet.
Caravan by Darioush is 60% Cabernet Sauvignon, 20% Merlot, 20% Cabernet Franc. Not a true "Bordeaux Blend", but close. Also, not a Cabernet Sauvignon. You cannot call it a Cabernet Sauvignon wine unless it contains at least 75% Cabernet Sauvignon grapes. You can find it for around $50 in a lot of store, but the price keeps rising. I paid $35 per bottle several years ago. My young adult children love it at that price point.

Posted on 5/27/20 at 4:31 pm to WacoTiger
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You might also look at wines from the Bordeaux region on France, which are primarily (45/45) blends of cabernet sauvignon and merlot grapes (with other small varieties mixed in).
A lot are, but not primarily. If he likes merlot, right bank is where to go. Fronsac, saint emilion, pomerol, etc will all be primarily merlot with some even at 100% merlot. Left bank is mostly where you'll see closer to 50/50 with 10% ish devoted to cab franc, Malbec, and Petit verdot.
To your point though, since merlot is the most widely planted grape throughout Bordeaux, it'll usually be at least 40% of most red Bordeaux. Some good cheaper options are Chateau Larose Trintaudon Haut Medoc (60/40 cab to merlot) at around $22 or Chateau Greysac Medoc (65ish/30ish merlot to cab with blending grapes) at $25. Chateau de Carles Fronsac is 80/15/5 merlot/cab/cab franc at $28-32 and is really good.
Domestically, merlot is kind of an afterthought, and people missing the irony of the merlot "hate" in the movie Sideways didn't really help.

Posted on 5/27/20 at 5:16 pm to IAmNERD
barefeet was is $5 at walgreens
Posted on 5/27/20 at 6:05 pm to WacoTiger
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Caravan by Darioush is 60% Cabernet Sauvignon, 20% Merlot, 20% Cabernet Franc. Not a true "Bordeaux Blend", but close. Also, not a Cabernet Sauvignon. You cannot call it a Cabernet Sauvignon wine unless it contains at least 75% Cabernet Sauvignon grapes. You can find it for around $50 in a lot of store, but the price keeps rising. I paid $35 per bottle several years ago. My young adult children love it at that price point.
The Calistoga BDX from Del Dotto is $85 and is absolutely amazing.

This post was edited on 5/27/20 at 6:11 pm
Posted on 5/27/20 at 6:34 pm to msap9020
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Educated Guess - Cab
I know a place that's selling EG at $19.99 I always grab it. Saldo is a great Prisoner Zin for under $30. I've been drinking Daou's red blend The Pessimist that I've found for under $20. Unshackled is a cheaper Prisoner blend that I think is a way better value than the Prisoner if you like the bolder Orin/Prisoner styles.
If you're looking sweeter/smooth Central Coast had good pinots for under $20. I really like Fluer. Willamette Valley Wineries has the Estate and Whole Cluster pinots for $20-25. Both very good.
I'd just start tracking what you're drinking and you'll start to know what you like which makes it easier to shop.
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