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Just finished nSuns...recommendations for another program?
Posted on 4/16/19 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 4/16/19 at 12:50 pm
Just finished going pretty hard with nSuns for a long time, but ready for something different. I will say I got stronger on nSuns, but definitely hit a plateau and think may be time for change.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 1:13 pm to Sandtrap
Try GZCLP? I did that after nSuns and liked the volume. nSuns’s volume just starts to beat you down after a while. The volume is lighter than nSuns but still a good LP to push past plateaus
Reddit GZCL link
Reddit GZCL link
This post was edited on 4/16/19 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 4/16/19 at 1:29 pm to Bonkers119
I got to a point where it was too much. I started doing just one main lift a day and then some interval training.
Thanks. I’ll take a look.
Thanks. I’ll take a look.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 1:50 pm to Sandtrap
Yeah, I rarely did any T3 lifts after I finished T1 and T2. I was just completely exhausted. I like GZCL because you still hit all four main lifts 5x3, and the T2 lifts are 3x10, then you can just throw in what ever accessories you choose.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 2:39 pm to Bonkers119
Nsuns is a LP. No reason to do another LP at the moment.
Try something like DC training for less volume but increased intensity.
After that bout, move back to a volume oriented program
Try something like DC training for less volume but increased intensity.
After that bout, move back to a volume oriented program
Posted on 4/16/19 at 3:37 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
I just did some research on the DC training, and it seems like the workouts might take a while. How long would you say a typical workout lasts? I like my current program because I can usually get in and out in a hour and a half.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:15 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
What is DC Training? Is it higher reps with lower weight? I am all for trying something new, but don’t want to lose too much strength and/or muscle.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:31 pm to Sandtrap
It stands for Dogg Crapp by Daunte Trudle (please excuse my spelling, I probably butchered his name). Awesome workout. 5 main lifts performed every other day. Chest, Shoulders, Tris, Back Width, and Back Thickness on one day. Biceps, Forearms, Quads, Hamstrings, and Quads on the alternate day. Goal is to perform each working set to failure via rest pause. On bench, you would work up to your working set of a weight that you could perform for 10 reps before failing. Then you would complete that set, rack the weight for 15 seconds, pick it up and go until failure. Repeat once more. Afterwards you will perform an intense weighted stretch for time (45 secs - 2 mins). Go ahead and check it out. It’s good stuff. Definitely not high rep or volume.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:32 pm to LSUTiger1026
Meant to say and calves*
Posted on 4/22/19 at 3:55 pm to Sandtrap
No it isn't higher reps low weight at all.
Wouldn't recommend it though as it's more for advanced imo. And it's for those all innon bodybuilding imo. Amazing program though.
OP what are you looking to do? Can recommend a program from there.
Wouldn't recommend it though as it's more for advanced imo. And it's for those all innon bodybuilding imo. Amazing program though.
OP what are you looking to do? Can recommend a program from there.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:48 pm to lsu777
I’m not exactly sure to be honest. I did nSuns for a long time because I kept progressing, but it’s time for a change. I’m not really an expert lifter, so I’m not 100% sure what to do. With nSuns, I got way stronger than I ever thought I could and put on some good weight. At the same time, I don’t eat very well, so I gained some fat too. I was about 220 a few months ago when I decided to start IF. Down to about 203 now and would like a new challenge. I’ve been doing 5-3-1 for a couple weeks, but don’t really like it. nSuns provides so much volume that this feels like I’m not doing enough. I even thought maybe I’d like to push myself to get down to 195 by trying to shed some more fat while cutting muscle, but don’t really know what program to do or how to build my own.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 8:29 am to Sandtrap
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I’ve been doing 5-3-1 for a couple weeks, but don’t really like it
thats because you are prolly doing the OG base program. There are plenty of variants that have plenty of volume. Here are the books, 531 forever has a ton of variants.
LINK
i think off season for conditioning would prolly be one you like or one of the weighted vest challenges.
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I even thought maybe I’d like to push myself to get down to 195 by trying to shed some more fat while cutting muscle, but don’t really know what program to do or how to build my own.
So overall it looks like you want to continue to get stronger/gain muscle while losing fat. Fat loss with muscle preservation being your main priorty. So we will want a program that accomplishes the following as they tend to cause the things you are looking to do:
*heavy lifting to enhance/preserve strength
*Density to get the heart rate up and keep it elevated while providing essential volume to reach Minimum effective volume range
*EPOC burn
we want to avoid programs that have so much volume you feel burned out or you layer/ramp the volume and intensity up over time to allow adaptation.
The programs I would recommend would be the following
Greyskull - LCI
Greyskull- Gladiator Program
Greyskull- LP with 3 days hard conditioning
Brian Alsruhe- 4horseman or LP or Powerbuilder
531- Offseason for conditioing
531- Prowler Challenge
531 Prep and Fat loss training
531 Krypteia
Christian Thib- Zombie Apocalypse Workout
Christian Thib- 6 weeks to superhero
Christian Thib- built for bad circuits
Christian Thib- Program 3 fatloss & recomp
Brute Strength- Brute Body program
Defranco- Built like a baddass
Elliot Hulse- Lean Hybrid Muscle
Brian Alsruhe Also watch his youtube
Brute Strength
Greyskull
Christian Thib
Defranco
Elliot Husle
Posted on 4/23/19 at 8:42 am to lsu777
ok next important thing is focus on diet, well and don't skip the damn conditioing
for diet you need to focus on 2 things
weekly calories- need to be in a slight deficeit or at maintenance without including workout calories burned
Daily protein intake- needs to be 50% of your calories or greater
Leangains calculator
use the link above, press in info, select the leangains drop down from the diet section and fill out the rest. Keep your steps at 3000 a day, even if you are doing more. Keep protein at 50% or more.
Carb/Fat split- despite what keto guys are going to say, this has jack shite to do with overall FATLOSS. How you eat is up to you. Eating higher carbs will allow better performance and if the correct carbs are chosen will allow a greater volume of food daily. Higher fat will mean less volume but will allow for fattier meats like steak which tends to help keep hunger at bay. Try and keep your foods mainly to whole foods.
An example diet would be something like this
Breakfast-2 eggs, 4 egg whites + veggies in omelet & small piece of fruit
Snack- 4oz extra lean turkey meat, 8oz greek yogurt + 50g blueberries
Lunch- 6oz chicken breast + green veggies
Snack- repeat of other snack
Peri-workout- 30-40g simple carbs + 40-60g protein
Dinner-10oz lean steak & brown or white rice or sweet potato
if you wanted to do Intermittent Fasting
lunch- 10oz chicken breast, green veggies, 1/2 avocado
Meal 2- 8oz chicken breast, 8oz greak yogurt+100g blueberries
Peri-workout- same as above
Dinner- same as above
these are just examples. In general, unless you want to go keto, somebody at 200lbs will want to be at about the following
Cals- 2000-2400
Protein-250-300g
Carbs- 100g-150g
Fat-40-60g
for most this would be 2000cals @ 300g P/ 100g C/ 45g F
for diet you need to focus on 2 things
weekly calories- need to be in a slight deficeit or at maintenance without including workout calories burned
Daily protein intake- needs to be 50% of your calories or greater
Leangains calculator
use the link above, press in info, select the leangains drop down from the diet section and fill out the rest. Keep your steps at 3000 a day, even if you are doing more. Keep protein at 50% or more.
Carb/Fat split- despite what keto guys are going to say, this has jack shite to do with overall FATLOSS. How you eat is up to you. Eating higher carbs will allow better performance and if the correct carbs are chosen will allow a greater volume of food daily. Higher fat will mean less volume but will allow for fattier meats like steak which tends to help keep hunger at bay. Try and keep your foods mainly to whole foods.
An example diet would be something like this
Breakfast-2 eggs, 4 egg whites + veggies in omelet & small piece of fruit
Snack- 4oz extra lean turkey meat, 8oz greek yogurt + 50g blueberries
Lunch- 6oz chicken breast + green veggies
Snack- repeat of other snack
Peri-workout- 30-40g simple carbs + 40-60g protein
Dinner-10oz lean steak & brown or white rice or sweet potato
if you wanted to do Intermittent Fasting
lunch- 10oz chicken breast, green veggies, 1/2 avocado
Meal 2- 8oz chicken breast, 8oz greak yogurt+100g blueberries
Peri-workout- same as above
Dinner- same as above
these are just examples. In general, unless you want to go keto, somebody at 200lbs will want to be at about the following
Cals- 2000-2400
Protein-250-300g
Carbs- 100g-150g
Fat-40-60g
for most this would be 2000cals @ 300g P/ 100g C/ 45g F
Posted on 4/23/19 at 8:43 am to Sandtrap
What variants of 531 did you try? It's a great program and has tons of options.
Are you wanting the same amount of volume or are you trying to completely change the way you train for a little bit?
Are you wanting the same amount of volume or are you trying to completely change the way you train for a little bit?
Posted on 4/23/19 at 8:57 am to lsu777
Thanks for all the help! I don’t know a lot about lifting, but trying to learn. I didn’t know if I should just continue high weight/high volume or go for something that was more high rep and lower reps to change it up.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 9:03 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
I just downloaded the app and have been doing the one where it’s centered around 3 heavy sets of either bench or shoulder press and then whatever one I didn’t lift heavy I do 5 sets of 10. Then, next day is same with deadlift and squat. Off on Wednesday. Thursday is opposite of Monday and Friday opposite of Tuesday.
I’m ok doing volume, I just didn’t know if it was bad to continually do same type of lifting or should I change it up.
I’m ok doing volume, I just didn’t know if it was bad to continually do same type of lifting or should I change it up.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 9:22 am to Sandtrap
Look through a few of those programs that lsu777 has posted and see if you like them.
Also, watch the videos too. Brian Alsruhe, Dave Tate, and Juggernaut Training systems are some of the best I've seen.
Alan Thrall and Elliot Hulse are also top tier.
Also, watch the videos too. Brian Alsruhe, Dave Tate, and Juggernaut Training systems are some of the best I've seen.
Alan Thrall and Elliot Hulse are also top tier.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 9:32 am to lsu777
lsu777, this is an awesome list, thanks for compiling it. Those links at the bottom of your post (like to Alsruhe) no longer work, so I'm wondering if they were program documents, videos, or webpages? Just looking to learn more before jumping into one of these, thanks.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 10:23 am to got2ears
Sorry brother, my Google drive got zapped for copyright infringement.
Most is available through googling though.
Most is available through googling though.

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