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Kinobody Programs

Posted on 1/25/21 at 2:12 pm
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 2:12 pm
So I was asked to talk about the Kinobody programs in the Greyskull thread, figured I would post it in a new thread as everyone does not read the Greyskull thread.

Acronyms-
RPT= Reverse Pyramid Training, you can read about it here
RP- Rest Pause Training. You can read about it here

We have discussed Kinobody going back to 2018, but they are very good at advertising and now that spring is coming up, I am sure they will come back up again. Figured would be best to simply have a thread to refer people too.

Little background on Kinobody, but let me be clear, yes Greg can be a complete douche and over the top in many of his ads. He is a trust fund kid who used that money to build a multimillion dollar program doing what he loves, so he maybe a douche, but he is smart and a successful douche and honestly I am a little jealous I didn’t think of it first .

Overall though Greg is a good guy and this can be seen in his live feeds and is prolly someone many of yall would enjoy a drink with, which is pretty much the opposite of almost everyone in the fitness industry, including Martin Berkham who is a complete a-hole. Again, I hate the whole Bruce Wayne thing he does in ads…but it helps him sell and the younger crowd eats it up. I hate the clothing BS, again the younger crowd loves it.

Created in 2013 by Greg O Gallagher after he trained with Martin Berkham of Leangains fame. Greg essentially took Martins program and made it palatable to the masses. Kinobody focuses on getting strong as hell on certain exercises to get better aesthetics. The difference is Kino is strictly focused on aesthetics so its much more focused on upper body lifts. Kinobody is not focused on athletic training or powerlifting. Its focused simply on lifting heavy and getting stronger to get a better physique. Nothing more, nothing less.

Greg had originally removed Squats and deadlifts because he stated in the past that he feels that squats tend to over emphasis areas of the quads that make the legs look feminine and makes clothes fit weird. He doesn’t like deadlifts because he thinks it makes the waist bigger. He has since reversed some of that and does do squats and deadlifts, but still prefers Bulgarian Split Squats and SLDLs for aesthetics reasons. IMO he is not wrong that Split squats and SLDL are prolly better from an aesthetics perspective. He now recommends Sumo DL quite often and even squats at times.

Kinobody uses a 3 day split almost exclusively. Originally he used a full body A/B day rotating schedule, but has moved to more of a 3 day PPL split on most of his programs.

Greg originally used Martins Reverse Pyramid Training exclusively. Originally he used the independent version only, but adapted to the dependent version even before Martin did. Greg has went on to add Rest Pause training on some of the accessory exercises. He has since added his version of escalating density training, he calls kino density training. He has also added what he calls kino rep training.

On the nutrition portion, Greg took Martins LG program and again tweaked it for the masses. He realized the whole macro cycling was over complicated and actually accounted for only about 2-3% of the success people were having with LG. So he dropped that, he then understood the beauty of Intermittent Fasting was its ability to help people control calories. Martins original LG had people fasting for 16 hours strictly, which contributed very little to the overall results. Kinobody is a flexible window and encourages you to get roughly 16 hours, but allows the window to be flexed. The last item he changed, was the amount of protein one needed to consume to follow the diet. Martin has his clients doing very high protein, he does this because of Dietary Induced Thermogenesis and he feels most people eat less when eating high amounts of protein. Greg understood most people do not like eating that much protein and would prefer more carbs, so he lowered protein prescription in Kino body to about 1g per pound of lean mass. This makes the diet much more palatable for most people.

The nutrition portion 100% follows a IIFYM theory and is usually in the 35% protein, 35% carbs, 30% fat or there about. Usually on cutting he has people on a 250-500 calorie deficit. When bulking its usually 250-500 caloric surplus.

Kinobody has the following programs, each with their own goals. Many of these programs have evolved and now have 2.0 versions, though some of the original programming was even better. All of these programs focus on developing strength on certain key lifts.

Programs can be found here
Nutrition calculator can be found here

Aggressive Fat Loss- strictly about fat loss as you would assume. More for people who are above 20% bf. Essentially look for this program to take you above 20% down to 15-17%. Goal is usually to lose 2-5 lbs per week the first 2-3 weeks and 1-2 after.

Training is 3 days a week lifting with it upper, lower, upper split. 5 exercises on upper, 4 on lower. Focus on chest, shoulders, arms. Overall volume is low because of the steep caloric deficit. 1 hour walks on off days or 10k steps. Main focus is getting stronger while leaning out.

Has version 1.0 and 2.0

Warrior Shredding- More of a slower fat loss program than AFL. I would look at this as the program to take you from 15-17% down to around goal bf%, usually 8-10%. This program can be adjusted slightly to do a very lean bulk also.

V1 was a 3 day a week workout, mainly RPT with a little Rest Pause thrown in. Focus was big time on the chest, shoulder, arms.

More of a PPL program on V2, 3 days per week with a lot of focus on Chest, shoulders, arms just like V1. V2 started introducing specialization phases. 1 hours walking or 10k steps on off days.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 2:13 pm to


Greek God - very much a recomp or lean bulk program. Very similar to original LG programming. When starting your muscle gain/strength gaining phase after using AFL/WS to get to low BF%, switch to greek god to start with your strength/bulking phase. Really good program to get strong on, if you stick with it. Has multiple splits, but all 3 days a week. mainly Shoulders, Back/triceps on day 1, legs on day 2, chest and biceps on day 3. Starts introducing rest pause techniques on the accessory lifts.

I actually think the original GG program with its A/B days was the best for beginners. It was:



quote:

Workout A: Chest, Shoulders and Triceps:

Barbell Incline press: 3 sets (RPT – 5, 6, 8 reps)
Barbell Overhead press: 3 sets (RPT – 5, 6, 8 reps)
Cable low to high flys: 3 sets x 8-10 reps
Lateral raises: 3 sets x 10-12 reps
Tricep pushdowns: 3 sets x 8-10 reps
Workout B: Back, Biceps and Legs:

Weighted Chin-ups: 3 sets (RPT – 5, 6, 8 reps)
Sumo-Deadlifts: 3 sets (RPT – 5, 6, 8 reps)
Seated Rows: 3 sets (RPT – 5, 6, 8)
Bent over flyes: 3 sets x 10-12 reps
Biceps curls: 3 sets x 8-10 reps




then move to the new splits listed in the book starting with Split A, then Split B.

That should give you a good year or more of steady lifting. From there, should move to the advanced greek god program where it starts introducing specialization.

In the end the Greek god program is a great program to just lift when you have no huge goals, are short on time and also flexible enough to be used for both cutting and bulking. The program can be run for long periods with minimal adjustment. Overall can easily be run for 2 years as written, starting with the OG program, then moving to the V1 and V2 versions following the specialization phases, before moving to the advanced Greek god program.



Superhero Bulking program- look at this as the place to advance to once you have run the 18 months or so of Greek God. Its 3 days a week and introduces more rest pause and more and more specialization phases.

Has 4 phases, each 8 weeks long. You can run the stages more than once and I would suggest doing Superhero bulk for a year at least.


Movie Star program- this is the latest program. Very flexible program that contains a 12 week bodyweight program, a cutting protocol, a bulking program each with multiple phases throughout. I am not nearly as familiar with this program compared to the others but this program is very similar to the others with a few tweaks thrown in.

Bodyweight mastery program- this is Greg’s original bodyweight program and his inexperience shows as many of the progressions are huge jumps. I do not recommend this program at all. You would be much better following the bodyweight portion of the movie star program or body by rings program.

His other programs include the females programs and the recipe books which are pretty good if you need them.

Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 2:20 pm to
So my personal thoughts on Kinobody

- greg can be douche, but is a good guy and he knows wtf he is talking about.

- does a really good job of setting standards and a simple program to get to those standards.

- does a good job of setting up a simple to follow nutrition plan

overall I think Kinobody is a great program for those just trying to look better and want to spend minumim time in the gym. If you want to spend more, you can repeat days too.

it is not great for an athlete or for powerlifting. Greg also doesnt do the best job in the books on explaining how to proceed if you stall. He has some videos on youtube where he talks about resetting and how on the way up, instead of adding weight every session, you repeat a session 3-4 times getting better quality reps in before moving up again.

I think the physique and strength standards he sets up are great goals. I also think he does a great job on focusing on the chest, shoulders and arms which is what most people want to improve.

** biggest mistake people make on this is not pusshing the intensity and not performing the walks on off days. Also many want to up the volume when cutting, opposite of what you should do.

One thing to remember, yes squats and deadlifts are in vogue and I personally love them. But many old time lifters going back to Vince Gironda did not like them and believed they were counter productive to building a great natural physique.


anyways hopefully this helps some people.
Posted by Boring
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 3:25 pm to
Good write up as usual. If people could get past the creator’s persona (this goes for damn near any product or service, fitness related and otherwise) and just look at the information by itself, they’d realize that Kinobody programs are plenty viable for the average guy who simply wants to get stronger and look better.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 4:43 pm to
quote:

Good write up as usual. If people could get past the creator’s persona (this goes for damn near any product or service, fitness related and otherwise) and just look at the information by itself, they’d realize that Kinobody programs are plenty viable for the average guy who simply wants to get stronger and look better.


Exactly, granted most people will never look like greg, but if you put in a good 6 months to get really lean and then work through the programs starting with Greek god and then superhero then movie star for 24 months and then cut down to 8% again, I promise you would see huge changes using these programs as is. Just have to be consistent and get strong as frick.

I still think greyskull is better overall but for the average guy who has no desire to squat or deadlift, these programs are great.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 6:37 pm to
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the average guy who has no desire to squat or deadlift


manlets
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 7:31 pm to
quote:

manlets


Can't say I don't feel the same way, but unfortunately we are in the minority.
Posted by numptythrubbers
Member since Feb 2018
246 posts
Posted on 1/25/21 at 10:42 pm to

"I still think greyskull is better overall but for the average guy who has no desire to squat or deadlift, these programs are great."

Why do you personally feel this way? Is it the simplicity and/or the variety?

Thank you for the detailed write up, completely agree on your opinions of Greg too.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 10:53 pm to
quote:

Why do you personally feel this way? Is it the simplicity and/or the variety?


Well for one I feel like that gslp is more well rounded with the squats and deadlifts. But I understand I am kind of a Neanderthal when it comes to that. Also I feel like gslp is more of a beginner program with its focus on the bodyweight movements and very structured progression.

But I very much understand most people prefer not to do squats or deads. I also understand from a physique standpoint, he is prolly right not having squats and deads. I know he has since started programming sumo deads too.

Like I said above though, if you use the programs as intended, put the time in to get shredded, then put in a consistent 2 years lean bulking, then another 6 months getting ripped.....well you will have a damn good physique.

One of the best things I think he does is the standards, both strength and physique. Gives people goals.
Posted by CorkRockingham
Member since Jun 2017
502 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:10 am to
Great writeup! I actually used a modified kinobody when I first went from 15%-10% bodyfat.

On leg days we would use reverse pyramid training for front squat, back squat, and also did deadlifts or trap bar deadlifts.

It really did work great, your shoulders and upper chest on this program really shine.
Posted by numptythrubbers
Member since Feb 2018
246 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:55 am to
Thats great. I was thinking of doing a modified version of his aggresive fat loss, just doing the upper body days but adding squats to one day, deadlift to the other. It would look a bit like the templates lsu777 put up in the greyskull thread.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
34658 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 9:46 am to
quote:

Thats great. I was thinking of doing a modified version of his aggresive fat loss, just doing the upper body days but adding squats to one day, deadlift to the other. It would look a bit like the templates lsu777 put up in the greyskull thread.


so right now this week i am just doing steak and eggs just because i was bloated as shite from eating like shite and just lifting in a modified greyskull format with RPT.

But starting next week Feb 1st, I am starting AFL, albeit modified for the equipment I have.

Will simple 3 day a weeek program

Day 1
Weighted incline ring pushups-3 sets RPT
Standing DB Press- 5 sets of 10
Weighted Chins- 3 sets RPT
Ring Dips- 3 sets max reps
DB Curls- Rest Pause
DB Lateral Raises- Rest Pause


Day 2
KB Clean & Squat- 3 sets Max reps with a weight
Sume Deadlift- KBs plus bands- 2 sets
Farmers Walk with Calve Raises- 3 sets
Banded Tricep Pushdowns- Rest Pause
Bent Over DB Flyes- Rest pause
Abs


Day 3

Standing DB Press- 3 sets RPT
Ring pushup Flyes-4 sets Max Reps
Bodyweight Chins- 5 sets Max Reps
Weighted Close Grip Pushups- 3 Sets RPT
KB Curls- 21s- 5 sets
DB Lateral Raises- Rest Pause



Mainly Trying to focus on SHoulders and Arms for 8-12 weeks. Then will shift focus to more Back and Chest.

I also have a warmup routien I do that I didnt include here.
Posted by CorkRockingham
Member since Jun 2017
502 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 9:47 am to
So only go 2x a week?
Posted by SkintBack
SoLo
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 1/26/21 at 9:57 am to
LSU, thanks again for another thread that I'm sure will take on a life of it's on like the Greyskull thread. I'm down with the Aggressive Fat Loss and your lifting plan. I'm gonna run it (modified for the gym for me) starting tomorrow. I've softened up since hunting season and the holidays and fricking COVID.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
34658 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 10:44 am to
quote:

LSU, thanks again for another thread that I'm sure will take on a life of it's on like the Greyskull thread. I'm down with the Aggressive Fat Loss and your lifting plan. I'm gonna run it (modified for the gym for me) starting tomorrow. I've softened up since hunting season and the holidays and fricking COVID.



I am sure lol

But dont feel the need to absolutely run the program I just laid out for me. If you have access to the gym, prolyl run as is laid out in the book. I only have DB/KB and rings. So i am limited somewhat on what I can do.

One this I will say is, on off days, get the hour walks in or 10k steps. makes a big difference in the long run.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
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Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 1/26/21 at 11:30 am to
How long before your house is done and you have access to your setup again?
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
34658 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 11:44 am to
quote:

How long before your house is done and you have access to your setup again?


hoping to be done and moved by the end of may. Sheetrock is complete and outside is 90% complete other than paint.

But man, as you can imagine, subs are a huge pain in the arse right now in the LC area. my contractor is threatening them every day, but they all want to go chase the bigger money instead of honoring previously signed contracts.

I plan on using the money from one of the bitcoin wallets I recovered to buy a new squat max md, 2 new Rep PR-5000 power cages to replace my current cage and my sorinex hurricane. Gonna put the hurricane attached to the sorinex adjustable jammer carriage on additional uprights to make essentially an adjustable hurricane. I am going to price out heptagon strength out of houston too and honestly that will prolly be the way i go, just a replica version of the rep or sorinex.



Ill sell my equipment and replace some of the existing stuff with upgrades. Figure I am playing with house money essentially so might as well.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
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Member since Mar 2008
67842 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 3:15 pm to
I can’t picture that in my head, you need to draw it out for me using Paint.

Sounds awesome though.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
34658 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 3:27 pm to
quote:

draw it out for me using Paint.


going all shaggy bevo on me??

ill just post a picture when done :lol:
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
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Member since Mar 2008
67842 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 3:30 pm to
Just draw it out in paint.

Shaggy bevo Mark May style
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