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re: So protein has 4 calories per Gram...
Posted on 3/20/24 at 10:38 am to Powerman
Posted on 3/20/24 at 10:38 am to Powerman
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The idea that you can just eat anything that's on some healthy approved list and not eat in excess of your maintenance calories is beyond stupid
You absolutely do need to control portions and account for macros
Again, you're looking at this on a micro level. I'm talking about macro. No pun intended.
And from a macro level, the average american (and 5'5'" 240 lb OP) does not need portion or macro control. They switch their diet to 100% "healthy", they will lose weight. Period.
Now, after the initial weight loss period and once they've rebaselined a healthier maintenance caloric intake will they need to track macros better to continue making progress? Yes. But at that point they are out of the category of "average american" and into the fun and exciting category of "health conscious american". These are two very different people.
On a micro level you are 100% right. Everyone should be macro-conscious and strive to optimize their diet for their goals. Being macro-conscious is more effective than eating however much you want of whatever (healthy) food you want, 100% of the time. However, your claim that simply switching to 100% healthy foods and ignoring your intake is "the worst advice ever" is 100% wrong. It would be good and effective advice for probably 80+% of the country at least.
I apologize for not citing a peer reviewed article to back up this knowledge.
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Posted on 3/20/24 at 10:38 am to Ace Midnight
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To simplify your statement, shoot for 0.75 to 1.00 gram per pound of weight and, particularly if you have kidney issues, spread that out over 4 cycles (and could be 3 meals and a supplement like a shake.)
agreed but the studies dont really show issues with kidneys up to about 2g per lbs of body weight. unsettled after that.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 10:42 am to lsu777
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agreed but the studies dont really show issues with kidneys up to about 2g per lbs of body weight. unsettled after that.
I think the totals are probably fine, my only (subjective) concern is with dumping protein in a system (particularly if you know you have compromised kidneys) faster than it can be processed.
I think best case you excrete the excess protein in the urine. Worst case, you make a bad situation worse. Prudence is probably the order of the day. Plus, spreading out protein intake is (again, subjectively) smarter for a variety of reasons.
On the other hand, if you have no known kidney issues and you're struggling to get enough protein, this is less of a concern, IMHO.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 10:42 am to OysterPoBoy
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Someone just eat 4000 cal of healthy food and screenshot your tracker and let’s end this debate. If it’s not done by end of day the science will be settled that it’s impossible.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 10:57 am to TigerGman
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I'm lifting regularly now and putting on muscle, but how much more protein, if any, should I be taking in?
Sorry for grenading your thread.
Don't eat that much protein (250 g). It's wasted calories and chewing.
I'd cut your protein back to 180-200g.
Low carb may make you crash. In my opinion, support your workouts. 200g carbs is good. If you want to do low carb that's fine, but eat a lot more fat and if you find yourself sluggish or hating it, don't be afraid of carbs.
Fats you might want to aim around 60-100g depending on what you're doing with carbs. If you're low carb you'll prob want to be around 100g to not die. Again, in my opinion, this is the one to trim down if you aren't losing weight as fast as you'd like.
This post was edited on 3/20/24 at 10:59 am
Posted on 3/20/24 at 11:00 am to Fe_Mike
agreed. some like low carb some dont.
in the end, the only real science is consistency and the magic comes from the work many try to avoid.
in the end, the only real science is consistency and the magic comes from the work many try to avoid.
This post was edited on 3/20/24 at 11:06 am
Posted on 3/20/24 at 11:15 am to lsu777
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in the end, the only real science is consistency and the magic comes from the work many try to avoid.
This.
Doesn't matter one lick how good your plan is if you don't follow it.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 11:24 am to Fe_Mike
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Sorry for grenading your thread.
Thanks Man
Posted on 3/20/24 at 12:05 pm to TigerGman
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according to everything I read, so 250 grams of protein is only 1,000 calories, My TDEE is around 2400 sedentary. I'm lifting regularly now and putting on muscle, but how much more protein, if any, should I be taking in? I'm eating mostly protein and low carb and trying to lose my beer gut, but I don't want to take in too few calories. Based on posts I've been reading here, the numbers don't seem to be adding up, and I have a feeling I'm missing something.
Well I disagree about 250 grams of protein(unless you are a giant and your ideal weight is like 250lbs). Id shoot for a gram of protein per lb of bodyweight at your ideal weight
What numbers arent adding up though, im confused?
Posted on 3/20/24 at 1:11 pm to omegaman66
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If you want to lose weight, counting calories will work for some people. But counting calories is not the best way to try to lose weight. Basically if you eat healthy food only you will not be over weight.
this ranks as some of the worse advice I've read in all of TD.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 1:18 pm to Fe_Mike
quote:I could easily eat a 16 oz steak 3 times per day.
Eh...I don't know if I'd go with "easily". You're more than likely going to feel like you are stuffing yourself if you are overeating on only good 'healthy' food.
4,000 calories a day of whole, measured, healthy food is elite level bodybuilder type of stuff, and they have to have insane discipline and almost torture themselves to get that type of diet in.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 1:26 pm to TigerGman
jesus christ i havent seen a thread go off the rails so fricking hard because of self important assholes in awhile. I was a simple question.
OP
Dont over think it. for most men 150-200 grams a protein will be more than enough.
Rethink your TDEE, that seems high for your size and age.
For your sanity have a balanced diet while hitting protein goals. dont make yourself miserable.
OP
Dont over think it. for most men 150-200 grams a protein will be more than enough.
Rethink your TDEE, that seems high for your size and age.
For your sanity have a balanced diet while hitting protein goals. dont make yourself miserable.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 1:40 pm to caro81
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jesus christ i havent seen a thread go off the rails so fricking hard because of self important assholes in awhile
A brief re-reading of this thread and it got off schedule because of omegaman doing his regular impression of being completely ignorant about every basic fact under the sun.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 1:49 pm to Powerman
CITE YOUR SOURCES, BROTHER!!!!!
(I don't want to know what LSU777 really looks like because it would ruin this image I've built of him in my head, shouting at a laptop while uncomfortable coworkers sneak away)
Posted on 3/20/24 at 2:49 pm to lsu777
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Jared Fogle lost 100 pounds
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was he making sure he got enough protein
Oh he definitely got enough protein
Posted on 3/20/24 at 8:45 pm to DrDenim
I’m a short king brother
Posted on 3/21/24 at 7:30 am to lsu777
short kang, tall kang, don't matter. Just as long as you have a giant forehead vein poppin' while fighting for science I'm here for it. 
Posted on 3/21/24 at 7:45 am to DrDenim
Since nobody was successful in eating 4000 healthy calories I believe the science is settled. Tracking macros isn’t necessary if you eat healthy foods. I’ll shop around for some medical journals that want to publish.
Posted on 3/21/24 at 9:16 am to OysterPoBoy
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Since nobody was successful in eating 4000 healthy calories
Don't threaten me with a good time
Posted on 3/21/24 at 3:10 pm to OysterPoBoy
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Since nobody was successful in eating 4000 healthy calories I believe the science is settled.
Nobody attempted it
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Tracking macros isn’t necessary if you eat healthy foods.
For maintenance perhaps
If you're trying to drop weight you certainly should
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