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Posted on 9/16/22 at 2:04 pm
Posted by greenbean
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Posted on 9/16/22 at 2:04 pm
Central MS. I can get a 5 ton, Rheem 14 SEER unit installed for $7200 with 10 year warranty. Gas heat.

Current unit is 16 years old, 13 SEER. My electric bills are sky high in the summer.

I will live here another 3-4 years or possible a little longer.
Posted by ShermanTxTiger
Broussard, La
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 9/16/22 at 2:24 pm to
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I will live here another 3-4 years or possible a little longer.


I seriously doubt you will save $7200 in electricity bills in 3 - 4 years with a new unit. Just my opinion.
Posted by greenbean
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Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 9/16/22 at 2:30 pm to
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I seriously doubt you will save $7200 in electricity bills in 3 - 4 years with a new unit. Just my opinion.



Concur, but it is my understanding prices go up biggly in 2023, and it's getting toward it's life span (i assume?). I'm thinking i don't want risk paying $13,000 for a unit 3-4 years from now, while looking to sell the house a year or two later. I'm estimating electric bill savings will be $750-$1000 a year,
This post was edited on 9/16/22 at 2:32 pm
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5594 posts
Posted on 9/16/22 at 2:38 pm to
I’ll just say that’s a very good price for an entire unit with gas furnace but I doubt you’ll see much savings in utilities going from Seer 13 to Seer 14. You currently have a 5-ton? How much area you trying cool? Supposedly average life of a HVAC in the Deep South is 13-15 years, so you’ve gotten your $ out of the old one, it might last another several years or die tomorrow.
Posted by RaginCajunz
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 9/16/22 at 2:42 pm to
If it lasts, you will be selling a house with a 19-20 year old AC. So utility savings aside, a buyer will be looking at that hard with a negative eye.
Posted by greenbean
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Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 9/16/22 at 2:42 pm to
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I’ll just say that’s a very good price for an entire unit with gas furnace but I doubt you’ll see much savings in utilities going from Seer 13 to Seer 14. You currently have a 5-ton? How much area you trying cool? Supposedly average life of a HVAC in the Deep South is 13-15 years, so you’ve gotten your $ out of the old one, it might last another several years or die tomorrow.




Originally this unit covered all but the master down stairs (2500sf?) and the upstairs (700 sf). We have since put a mini split upstairs so the vents up there are closed.
Posted by CORIMA
LAFAYETTE
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 9/16/22 at 3:10 pm to
heard there are some havoc tax credits in that last big spending bill. of course with coming higher prices may be a wash
Posted by greenbean
USAF Retired - 31 years
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 9/16/22 at 3:24 pm to
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heard there are some havoc tax credits in that last big spending bill. of course with coming higher prices may be a wash




Great info
Posted by armsdealer
Member since Feb 2016
11932 posts
Posted on 9/16/22 at 4:19 pm to
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If it lasts, you will be selling a house with a 19-20 year old AC. So utility savings aside, a buyer will be looking at that hard with a negative eye.


And if it works he won't get a penny more for the house if his A/C was 20 years old or 5 years old.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5594 posts
Posted on 9/16/22 at 4:35 pm to
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Originally this unit covered all but the master down stairs (2500sf?) and the upstairs (700 sf). We have since put a mini split upstairs so the vents up there are closed.

Then it’s possible 5 tons is oversized for 2500 sq ft, b/c you can now discount the upstairs with a separate HVAC unit - depends on how tight and well insulated your house is. I have a 4 ton unit cooling 2500 sq ft, 1993 construction, but my house is reasonably tight, based on blower door test I had conducted last year. Many HVAC contractors still cling to a 1 ton/500 sq ft rule that has been antiquated since the 70s.

You can use this website to conduct your own manual J and manual S for your downstairs area to estimate what size unit you need for cooling/heating your 2500 sq ft downstairs area Load Calc . Using this same program on my house it shows a 4 ton unit it the proper size HVAC for cooling the house, but it also shows my gas furnace is a bit oversized and should be 14K BTUs smaller.

A smaller unit, say 4 tons if appropriate, should be a bit cheaper, and certainly cost less to operate.

I’m in the same boat as you with a change out planned before year’s end as my unit is also a 16 year old R-22 unit.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5594 posts
Posted on 9/16/22 at 4:45 pm to
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heard there are some havoc tax credits in that last big spending bill. of course with coming higher prices may be a wash

I’ll also be interested to see what those changes in tax credits are - there are federal and state tax credits already in existence for more energy efficient HVAC units, but they don’t apply unless you install 16 SEER units or higher, which of course are more expensive, and often substantially more expensive.
Posted by 4WHLN
Drinking at the Cottage Inn
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 9/16/22 at 5:27 pm to

This post was edited on 9/16/22 at 5:29 pm
Posted by Bermuda99
Member since Jun 2021
110 posts
Posted on 9/16/22 at 7:15 pm to
Terrible comment. A 20 year old unit will need to be replaced almost immediately. 5 year old is good. Any buyer/realtor with a pulse knows that.
This post was edited on 9/16/22 at 7:18 pm
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
15388 posts
Posted on 9/16/22 at 8:33 pm to
My quotes on 3T units, gas furnace (2-stage heat. And I used my old Nest thermostat, so it’s essentially just 2-stage cooling as well)
14 seer AS- ~$7500
18 seer variable Bosch outdoor/AS indoor ~$9100
20 seer variable Bosch outdoor/AS indoor ~$10K



I also got quoted $28,000 for a Trane variable unit, 18 SEER.




I did not choose the Trane.
This post was edited on 9/16/22 at 9:46 pm
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Member since Jan 2011
69001 posts
Posted on 9/16/22 at 9:58 pm to
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I’ll just say that’s a very good price


frick yea it is.
Posted by Klondikekajun
Member since Jun 2020
1403 posts
Posted on 9/17/22 at 4:11 am to
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I’ll just say that’s a very good price


I just got quotes on the NOLA NS....
4 ton 14seer full system- BEST price- $14k!
16-18seer was as high as $20k+

Not yet sure what I'll do yet, but consensus is prices will go up 20-30% by Jan 1 when new "green" regs kick in...
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 9/17/22 at 6:40 am to
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consensus is prices will go up 20-30% by Jan 1 when new "green" regs kick in...


Niceeeèeeee

I'm changing mine out this spring. Guess I'll order a unit now just to avoid this bs.

First DIY central air swap for me. Yall wish me luck.
Posted by greenbean
USAF Retired - 31 years
Member since Feb 2019
5680 posts
Posted on 9/17/22 at 7:41 am to
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And if it works he won't get a penny more for the house if his A/C was 20 years old or 5 years old.




I'm not so sure about that. I'm in MS, there is no bidding on houses here, you start with the list price and the buyer negotiations down. Having a 20-year-old unit will undoubtedly give the buyer cause to negotiate $10k or more off the sale price. Not saying that will happen, but it will give the buyer ammunition to offer less.
Posted by Gorilla Ball
Member since Feb 2006
12385 posts
Posted on 9/17/22 at 2:11 pm to
If it’s working I’d continue getting it serviced twice a year - I wouldn’t change it until it fails
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 9/18/22 at 12:14 pm to
Thats not a bad price. I got a 5 ton 17 seer two stage system installed for $12.9k. The system is pretty impressive and quiet as hell.
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