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AC units more expensive in 2025
Posted on 8/24/24 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 8/24/24 at 2:31 pm
I’ve got an older unit, almost 20 years old that’s been doing great. We had a power surge and the capacitor got fried…guy came out and replaced it ad told me the motor is on its last leg…
Says it might be worth to replace it due to cost of motor vs new unit and it might be worth it to do it now because in 2025 it’s going to get much more expensive.
Should I just ride this till it explodes and I’m getting upsold early? Or have you guys heard the same thing and I should probably not roll the dice?
Says it might be worth to replace it due to cost of motor vs new unit and it might be worth it to do it now because in 2025 it’s going to get much more expensive.
Should I just ride this till it explodes and I’m getting upsold early? Or have you guys heard the same thing and I should probably not roll the dice?
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Posted on 8/24/24 at 2:36 pm to MisslePig
I would call around a get a few different prices to replace it now. Then ask them if they are expecting pricing increases in 2025 and by how much.
Posted on 8/24/24 at 2:58 pm to MisslePig
Prices are going up due to the new refrigerant. A new motor is cheaper then a new unit though. Just get the model off the motor and order it now.
This post was edited on 8/24/24 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 8/24/24 at 3:33 pm to Hamma1122
Should brand new units be leaking in the pan when running? installer saying there’s a ton of humidity right now?
Posted on 8/24/24 at 4:14 pm to MisslePig
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told me the motor is on its last leg
What is the motor he's talking about?
Posted on 8/24/24 at 4:53 pm to FMtTXtiger
Should brand new units be leaking in the pan when running? installer saying there’s a ton of humidity right now?
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I've never seen that.
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I've never seen that.
Posted on 8/24/24 at 5:52 pm to FMtTXtiger
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Should brand new units be leaking in the pan when running?
Primary pan, yes, that is what it is there for, secondary pan, no
Posted on 8/24/24 at 6:00 pm to MisslePig
Its almost impossible to believe they can go up much more. They are already much higher over a short period of time. The number of households that can afford a 10-15-20k new air conditioner are dwindling.
I foresee a lot of window units in the future
I foresee a lot of window units in the future
Posted on 8/24/24 at 7:04 pm to FMtTXtiger
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Should brand new units be leaking in the pan when running?
No
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installer saying there’s a ton of humidity right now?
That may be true but has nothing with condensate leaking into the secondary pan. New unit - have him come out and fix the issue.
Are these Bosch Inverter Heat Pumps? If so, I think this has been an issue with them.
This post was edited on 8/24/24 at 7:09 pm
Posted on 8/24/24 at 8:20 pm to LEASTBAY
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Prices are going up due to the new refrigerant
AC service guy said to buy a unit now if needed. I see online estimates of 15 to 30% price increases in 2025. They can manufacture the current refrigerant models through the end of 2024 and sell them through 2025 until they run out. After that, you’re buying the new and more expensive models.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 4:33 pm to Twenty 49
You can thank John Kennedy for his vote on that shite too.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 5:12 pm to CrawDude
Crawdude-
Leaking unit- I’m not sure but I’ll ask. I thought it was BS
It’s an American standard unit.
Thanks for the feedback.
Leaking unit- I’m not sure but I’ll ask. I thought it was BS
It’s an American standard unit.
Thanks for the feedback.
This post was edited on 8/25/24 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 8/25/24 at 5:29 pm to MisslePig
The new refrigerant is a blend that has some propane or isobutane in it. Because it's flammable, they have to engineer in leak detection and additional venting. More complexity= more expensive + less reliable.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 6:16 pm to FMtTXtiger
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Leaking unit- I’m not sure but I’ll ask. I thought it was BS It’s an American standard unit.
Yes it’s BS. If it’s a larger company have them send out another HVAC to fix the “leak”. If it’s a fairly new unit, or even old one, it should be a simple fix. Most common cause is a blockage-restriction in the condensate drain line. If it’s been occurring since day 1 maybe the tech on install made a poor connection at the condensate drain line connection(s).
The other things I suppose it could be would be “sweating” of the cased evaporator coil box or a refrigerant line or condensate line that is not properly insulated, or even a cracked primary drain pan from manufacture or at installation that allows water to drip from the primary drain pan into the secondary pan.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 7:15 pm to CrawDude
extremely appreciative of the feedback, its a brand new unit, installed in June.
My other primary unit is American Standard and i have no issues, different installer so it leads me to believe something wasn't done right but your feedback helps me throw some stuff at him.
My other primary unit is American Standard and i have no issues, different installer so it leads me to believe something wasn't done right but your feedback helps me throw some stuff at him.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 10:11 pm to FMtTXtiger
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extremely appreciative of the feedback, its a brand new unit, installed in June. My other primary unit is American Standard and i have no issues, different installer so it leads me to believe something wasn't done right but your feedback helps me throw some stuff at him.
Had a similar issue with a brand new unit in April. It took multiple techs coming out before the last guy basically re-routed the condensate drain line coming out of the evaporator coil pan. If they give you the run around tell them to re-route or reinstall the drain line...it's probably either partially clogged or not installed properly.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 3:19 pm to sleepytime
Why in the world would would flammable be ok? And what is to protect against it.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 3:47 pm to MisslePig
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We had a power surge and the capacitor got fried…guy came out and replaced it ad told me the motor is on its last leg…
This EXACT scenario happened to me. Had a buddy I know that does HVAC on the commercial side come out to give a second opinion. Being that he's on the commercial side, he had no incentive to sell me anything. Just give his honest no BS opinion. I'm still running this same unit 2 years later after being given that "on it's last leg" line. Don't fall for the scare tactics. Don't replace a running unit.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 6:18 pm to Dixie2023
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Why in the world would would flammable be ok? And what is to protect against it.
First, it's not propane. Both new refrigerants, whether R32 or R454B, are considered "mildly flammable". Most manufacturers in the U.S. are going with R454B which is a blend of R32 / R1234yf. It has characteristics similar to R410A with its temp/pressure relationship. Daikin / Goodman are using R32 since they pioneered that ref in their VRF systems a few years back. They don't own R32 but they have several hundred patents around R32 so they don't want give that up.
But yes, most systems have to employ a leak detection system to now detect a leak in the indoor AHU or Furnace. Generally it shuts down the compressor and the fan runs at a preset speed to dilute the leaked refrigerant.
"Mildy Flammable" is a classification that rates the refrigerant in a system: R410A is rated as an A1 and R454B is an A2L. A2L refrigerants have a low burning velocity which is vastly different than Propane (A3). What that effectively means is you need a high concentration in a very small area with an ignition source of close to 1400DegF. So no your toaster won't ignite a concentrated dose of your new refrigerant.
All of this is a result of the EPA and the Kigali Amendment (Montreal Protocol) and the reduction of global warming potential in our atmosphere. R410a has a GWP (Global Warming Potential) of 2088. The new requirement is manufacturers have to be below 700 in their new selected refrigerant. R32 has a GWP of 675. R454B has a GWP of 488.
But single digit GWP refrigerants (like propane) are in our future and the transition to that is around 2034.
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