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Fall Pre-Emergent - What and When?

Posted on 9/7/22 at 12:05 pm
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
70119 posts
Posted on 9/7/22 at 12:05 pm
When should this be done in Zone 8? And what are we recommending here on the H&G board? My Scott's works great on some fall/winter weeds (henbit) but doesn't seem to do anything for others (chickweed).
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5595 posts
Posted on 9/7/22 at 12:29 pm to
GA

FALL

When temperatures drop to 65-70° F at night, apply preemergence herbicides to control winter annual weeds such as annual bluegrass, henbit and common chickweed. Recommended dates are August 15 to September 15 in north Georgia and September 1 to 15 in south Georgia.

SPRING

Apply herbicides to control summer annual weeds such as crabgrass and goosegrass prior to soil temperatures reaching 55° F. Recommended dates are March 1 to 20 in north Georgia and February 15 to March 15 in south Georgia.

LINK

Prodiamine, Dimension (dithopyr), Simazine, Specticle (pricey)

each have their pros and cons. I have used them all and by and large been happy with them all. These and others are discussed in the linked article.

I’d suggest Prodiamine or Dimension if you are new to using pre-emergents. Both a available in spray or granular formulations.

ETA: better to err on the side of applying too early than too late, so don’t miss your optimal window of application.
This post was edited on 9/8/22 at 9:06 am
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
70119 posts
Posted on 9/7/22 at 12:49 pm to
Thank you. I'm getting a 404 error from the UGA extension office link.

Pendimethalin is the active ingredient in what I've been using in the past, which doesn't seem to do anything vs Chickweed and is not on your list. I will try one of the others above. I would prefer granular, is there one of the ones above you would recommend that I can get from Lowes or Tractor Supply? That would also work as a Spring pre-emergent on crabgrass, bluegrass, and the typical spring/summer weeds as well as the winter weeds?
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5595 posts
Posted on 9/7/22 at 1:39 pm to
My bad -link fixed.

Then I might suggest Dimension (dithopyr) in granular form. I don’t think you can get it at Lowes, not sure about Tractor Supply, but check their websites. Individual stores differ in what they carry.

Good retail garden centers often have Dimension it as a Fertilome/Hi Yield product. LINK.

I purchase Dimension, Prodiamine, fertlizers, etc from Site One Landscape Supply - their pricing is excellent, you can check to see if you have one near you - there are only 2 in Louisiana, and I happen to live 10 min from one.

Nice thing about Dimension if you miss your application window by a little in spring it has post-emergent activity on very young crabgrass. I literally eliminated crabgrass in my lawn in 2 years using Dimension. It also does a very good job on annual bluegrass (Poa), etc as does Prodiamine, simiazine, ….
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
136980 posts
Posted on 9/7/22 at 1:46 pm to
I've got a mess of Virginia buttonweed and that small, woody clover.

Anyone know when/what I can start spraying on that stuff?
Posted by PillageUrVillage
Mordor
Member since Mar 2011
15312 posts
Posted on 9/7/22 at 1:50 pm to
I use greencastonline.com to track soil temp. When the 5 day average is getting close to 70F I’ll be putting down the pre em.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5595 posts
Posted on 9/7/22 at 2:21 pm to
quote:

I've got a mess of Virginia buttonweed and that small, woody clover. Anyone know when/what I can start spraying on that stuff?

Now - I’d suggest MSM Turf, still to hot to use Weed-Free-Zone. Be sure to add surfactant and re-spray in about 4 weeks. Both VBW and wood sorrel (oxalis) are perennials so they need repeated sprays to suppress them.
This post was edited on 9/7/22 at 4:36 pm
Posted by sosaysmorvant
River Parishes, LA
Member since Feb 2008
1399 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 5:13 am to
quote:

I've got a mess of Virginia buttonweed and that small, woody clover.


MSM turf or Celsius will take care of VBW and lespedeza
Posted by MarshMan
Ponchatoula
Member since May 2015
648 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 5:38 am to
What and when do you spray for yard stickers that pop up in the spring? I always seem to miss it.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5595 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 9:30 am to
quote:

What and when do you spray for yard stickers that pop up in the spring? I always seem to miss it.

Lawn burweed. Winter annual weed. LINK

You can apply Simazine as a pre-emergent as stated in the article, but the problem is to my knowledge you can only buy Simazine in 2 gallon quantities and you only need a little bit to treat a lawn.

Trimec and Weed Free Zone work (Trimec + carfentrazone) or a winter cocktail of Weed Free Zone + Atrazine work well in my experience to kill it when young. The key is to scout your yard and spray the weeds when very small, say Jan/Feb, before the stickers form. As shown in the posted fact sheet they look like little parsley plants.
Posted by cdhorn28
Member since Sep 2016
690 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 10:59 am to
CrawDude, on the website you posted, they have a Summer Broadleaf Lawn Kit. Just moved in a new house, and I'm new to lawn care. Would that Southern Lawn Kit be a good starter kit? Like most of the people that are posting about their yards, I'm having trouble with VBW, and possibly some root rot.
Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
14115 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 11:20 am to
Other than torpedo grass I'm pretty sure I've had to deal with every weed ever mentioned on this board this summer
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5595 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 12:42 pm to
quote:

CrawDude, on the website you posted, they have a Summer Broadleaf Lawn Kit. Just moved in a new house, and I'm new to lawn care. Would that Southern Lawn Kit be a good starter kit? Like most of the people that are posting about their yards, I'm having trouble with VBW, and possibly some root rot.

Honestly, I think the best thing is just to follow this board, read the posts associated with lawn care, and learn from it as many of us have. Post any questions you have, include photos when appropriate and one or more of us are going to give you good advice as you learn the ropes. Some posters such as ronk do this for a living, others of us just have decent knowledge of the subject either by technical background or having learned via the school of hard knocks (or both).

Start by providing your general location or city and the type of lawn grass(es) you have if you know the different grass types. Location helps with timing of applications and often suggesting businesses that carry the chemicals and fertlizers you’ll need. Not all herbicides are compatible with the 4 main southern lawn grasses so it’s essential to know what type of lawn grass you have.

As to your specific question on VBW, to start I’d suggest MSM Turf to use in this heat and it is compatible with the 4 warm season lawn grasses. Celsius is another excellent selective herbicide compatible with the warm season lawn grasses but the initial price is high, but eventually you likely come around to buying it b/c it’s so effective on so many problematic lawn weeds and a bottle will usually last several years.

As to take all root rot, post clear photos, including close ups, for confirmation. Since it’s a new house to you, check to see if you have good drainage in your yard, and if not, you’ll likely need to take steps on improving drainage, etc.

And you should pay attention to threads on fall and spring pre-emergent herbicides, and consider using them to reduce your need for post emergent herbicide weed control. Won’t do anything to help with VBW, a perennial weed, or root rot (fungal disease) but will help immensely with reducing (not eliminating) many annual winter and spring weeds you are sure to encounter.
This post was edited on 9/8/22 at 3:15 pm
Posted by cdhorn28
Member since Sep 2016
690 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 1:27 pm to
Awesome, thank you! Will hopefully get some pictures posted this evening or tomorrow.
Posted by Bayou
Boudin, LA
Member since Feb 2005
38925 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 6:25 pm to
CrawDad would you give thumbs up or down to this right now in CenLA? Centipede
The Anderson's 18-0-4 Fertilizer with 0.426 Barricade Herbicide
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5595 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 8:14 pm to
quote:

CrawDad would you give thumbs up or down to this right now in CenLA? Centipede The Anderson's 18-0-4 Fertilizer with 0.426 Barricade Herbicide

Would be OK for a spring, mid-April, application as a follow up to a mid Feb pre-emergent only application, but definitely a thumbs down right now for a fall application. Way past the time to be adding nitrogen fertilizer to centipede. Just apply a pre-emergent herbicide with no fertilizer incorporated in the next week or 2 or before soil temperature cools to 70 F.
Posted by cdhorn28
Member since Sep 2016
690 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 7:28 am to
Madisonville, La
Yard does have good drainage for the most part
I believe this is St. Aug?

I plan on putting down some MSM Turf, anything else I'm needing to do now, to have a better looking yard next spring?


Posted by LEASTBAY
Member since Aug 2007
15609 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 7:44 am to
Just a PSA, you can get 5oz of prodiamine for $25. Helpful for smaller yards and so you don't have a bigger jug expire

prodiamine
Posted by Bayou
Boudin, LA
Member since Feb 2005
38925 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 8:37 am to
Thank you for the response, CrawDude!
Posted by ronk
Member since Jan 2015
6901 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 8:57 am to
You've got St Aug but you also have doveweed, dicondra, and buttonweed. Unfortunately it is going to take several herbicides to fix your problem. MSM will work on buttonweed. Celsius will work on doveweed. Trimec will work on dicondra. Coming up here in the next couple weeks you'll want to put down a pre em. I prefer Specticle but also use simazine in the fall.
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