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How to get rid of coyotes?

Posted on 5/27/24 at 1:11 pm
Posted by Sir Drinksalot
Member since Aug 2005
16822 posts
Posted on 5/27/24 at 1:11 pm
I saw one the other day wandering around at 9am.

We have some during the day free ranging livestock that I want to keep safe.

Tractor supply has a $160 have a hart that is meant for trapping them, but I really don't want to get up close and personal with a live/mad one.

Could I just put some meat out and set up shop on the front porch with a flashlight and wait until he comes close and give him the ole pew pew?

If you have one coyote does that mean there are a bunch more?

I did google but there is a lot of contradicting stuff out there and I'm certainly not buying and pouring a perimeter of wolf pee around the yard.

Any advice is appreciated.
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
30152 posts
Posted on 5/27/24 at 1:20 pm to
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How to get rid of coyotes?


use a lead projectile fired from a gun

all traps do is get you hurt while trying to deal with a pissed off wild and vicious animal

use 22 with a high power scope if you dont want anyone hear you shooting them
This post was edited on 5/27/24 at 1:22 pm
Posted by Zakatak
Member since Nov 2011
366 posts
Posted on 5/27/24 at 2:02 pm to
For me they are a difficult animal to hunt. They move through randomly…mostly at night. When i hear them i can sometimes sneak on the patio with my AR and spot them with a red light. My dogs usually have them distracted. Its always about 2 min from the time i realize they are there till they are gone. Electronic call works ok if they are nearby.
Posted by Tigerpaw123
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2007
17619 posts
Posted on 5/27/24 at 2:19 pm to
Good luck catching one in a have a heart trap, they are very sly

Foot trap with a dirt hole set , but you going to have to research and do some learning, also will catch any loose dog in the area

You can try and shoot em, but much easier said than done

They are a pain in the arse, there is a reason they are rapidly becoming a problem

We caught this one in the fall


Shot this one a while back
This post was edited on 5/27/24 at 2:29 pm
Posted by Dixie2023
Member since Mar 2023
3412 posts
Posted on 5/27/24 at 7:28 pm to
Do you have a pair or more of LGDs? They will keep your livestock safe. Proven adults since you have yotes now. They work as a team and depending your predator load you may need more than 2.
Posted by theCrusher
Slidell
Member since Nov 2007
1398 posts
Posted on 5/27/24 at 7:41 pm to
When we were kids my grandfather use to try and run them over with farm truck. It never worked.
Posted by chrome1007
Toledo Bend
Member since Dec 2023
512 posts
Posted on 5/27/24 at 8:28 pm to
I once helped a rancher out with his coyote problem. Over the span of a month I killed 33 coyotes. Some had the mange so bad they looked like a chupacabra. They can be a real problem during calving.
Thermal. Suppressed. And set up over something dead.
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
17849 posts
Posted on 5/27/24 at 8:52 pm to
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We have some during the day free ranging livestock that I want to keep safe.


Coyotes are fun to hunt with a call so by all means, but they are very smart and if you shoot one you can expect that group to get wise. They’re also territorial and killing the dominant ones will draw in subordinates to take their place. If you do manage to reduce their numbers, they increase litter sizes to compensate. It can be done but it’s a constant and time consuming effort that most people do with the understanding you’ll never not have coyotes in an area where they have food/habitat.

quote:

you have one coyote does that mean there are a bunch more?


Usually, but not always. You’ll hear then cutting up at night if you have a pack. They’re welping pups right now so daylight activity is high, seeing one around doesn’t necessarily mean you’re overrun or they’re gonna start taking livestock. Their territories are large and not all of them stick to one, so it could have been wandering through.
Posted by lgtiger
LA
Member since May 2005
1325 posts
Posted on 5/27/24 at 9:01 pm to


Seriously didn't get rid of them, we still saw them,but they stayed away from our calves. Previous to donkeys, we lost a few. Donkeys can be asses though, pardon the pun

LDAF set some wire loop traps on fences where they crossed our land, caught a few
This post was edited on 5/27/24 at 9:02 pm
Posted by Tigerpaw123
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2007
17619 posts
Posted on 5/27/24 at 9:10 pm to
We now have an Anatolian shepherd, I had never heard of them until recently , but they are awesome, highly recommend, ours is still a puppy (9 months) but his instinct is there, very neat to watch him protect “his” goats

But kind of sounds like the OP might have chickens, if so make sure you get one that was raised with chickens, that is hard livestock to protect with dogs
Posted by bovine1
Walnut Ridge,AR via Tallulah,LA
Member since Dec 2004
1335 posts
Posted on 5/27/24 at 9:28 pm to
Are they bothering the stock? If not I'd leave it alone. If you kill that one another will take it's place that may cause problems. Coyotes are everywhere now. That was the way I handled it when I ran cows in the Ozarks. I had more trouble with people's dogs that ran in packs killing calves. If you have sheep get a Great Pyrenees or a mule.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
19798 posts
Posted on 5/27/24 at 9:56 pm to
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If you have sheep get a Great Pyrenees or a mule.

My neighbor has about a half dozen mareema sheep dog. Looks kinda like a sheep or a long, white haired retriever. Italian in origin. We still occasionally do some 'yote hunts when they start fricking with the herd or taking smaller animals like the domestic fowls.
Posted by LEASTBAY
Member since Aug 2007
15623 posts
Posted on 5/27/24 at 10:21 pm to
That looks similar to a Kangal. I love watching videos of these dogs protecting.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
65798 posts
Posted on 5/27/24 at 10:54 pm to
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I once helped a rancher out with his coyote problem. Over the span of a month I killed 33 coyotes. Some had the mange so bad they looked like a chupacabra. They can be a real problem during calving.
Thermal. Suppressed. And set up over something dead.

Interesting thing about coyotes, they can greatly regulate the size (number) of their litters. Once an area reaches carrying capacity they drop down to having 4-6 in a litter. As soon as the coyote population drops and the pressure is taken off of the food supply they will increase their litter size, sometimes to near double. They will continue breeding at that rate until carrying capacity is again reached, and then drop their litter size down again. They're remarkable on timing it and knowing when a given ecosystem will support it.

Coyotes have gained the foothold they have due to what we did to wolves. Wolves were a keystone species, alpha predators, within the same ecosystems inhabited by coyotes, which are (or were) mesopredators. Wolves were extirpated from large areas, causing a mesopredator release. Wolves and coyotes had overlap in prey species. Wiping out wolves meant coyotes had no natural competition for their common prey items, they had (and have) no pressure on them from above in the food web.

The coyote's range and geographical expansion was also naturally checked by wolves. Once wolves, the alpha predators, were removed it gave coyotes seemingly unlimited prey and freedom to expand their range. As mentioned above, once coyotes realized their new reality and place within their ecosystems they ramped up their breeding and a population boom began, fueled by unlimited food and unchecked movement.

Add into that mix that around the same time this shift was taking place our population as a country began to grow rapidly. We expanded our domain, and continue to do so at a rapid pace. This has brought humans into direct conflict with coyotes and forced the coyote to adapt to a dwindling natural habitat. Well, the coyote is remarkably adaptive, much moreso than the wolf.

This same conflict is playing out with everything from coyotes and bears to wildfire. The closer you get to Nature, the greater the conflict. The more natural habitat we manipulate, fracture, or destroy the fewer options we give wild animals.

Sorry for the ramble. This topic interests me.
Posted by Tigerpaw123
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2007
17619 posts
Posted on 5/28/24 at 6:56 am to
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Interesting thing about coyotes, they can greatly regulate the size (number) of their litters. Once an area reaches carrying capacity they drop down to having 4-6 in a litter. As soon as the coyote population drops and the pressure is taken off of the food supply they will increase their litter size, sometimes to near double. They will continue breeding at that rate until carrying capacity is again reached, and then drop their litter size down again. They're remarkable on timing it and knowing when a given ecosystem will support it.


Agree with all of that plus the rest of your post, however, coyotes are also very smart and if they know thier relatives get shot, caught, maned by a LGD every time they come into a particular area, they stay away from that area, which is all I really care about, I don’t care if they have a thriving population as long as it is away from me and mine
Posted by Tigerpaw123
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2007
17619 posts
Posted on 5/28/24 at 7:10 am to
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That looks similar to a Kangal. I love watching videos of these dogs protecting.


Mr. Butch doing his thing
Posted by Dixie2023
Member since Mar 2023
3412 posts
Posted on 5/28/24 at 7:17 am to
Anatolians are awesome. A little tougher for the lack of a better word than a Pyrenees. If I had a lot of land I’d have a pair of each. They work in teams, but each breed a little differently. Re chickens. It takes about 2 years for a LGD to come into their own, and they have to be introduced and trained to chickens. so many are dumped bc they kill chickens bc owners don't do things right. There are some fantastic working lgd groups on Fb.
Posted by Dixie2023
Member since Mar 2023
3412 posts
Posted on 5/28/24 at 7:21 am to
The Kangal is Turkish and retains its ancient breeding. They are often referred to Anatolians here, but are not. The Kangal is a super serious breed. Interestingly, the Akbash, one of the great white LGDs is an Anatolian, also. Just a white one.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
43041 posts
Posted on 5/28/24 at 10:56 am to
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Well, the coyote is remarkably adaptive, much moreso than the wolf.
which is the same situation with all alpha predators (except us). Alpha predators are the most important and least adaptable members of the entire food chain. They are the thermostat, regulating everything else but they cannot regulate themselves. They have evolved to do one thing and one thing only, and cannot quickly adapt to a changing environment. They breed slowly, are highly specialized, and can be exterminated without much effort at all.

What we get when we do that is an explosion of destructive and invasive species that cause exponentially more problems than the alpha predators we displaced
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
65798 posts
Posted on 5/28/24 at 12:02 pm to
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Agree with all of that plus the rest of your post, however, coyotes are also very smart and if they know thier relatives get shot, caught, maned by a LGD every time they come into a particular area, they stay away from that area, which is all I really care about, I don’t care if they have a thriving population as long as it is away from me and mine

You're essentially creating a mini ecosystem with the LGD playing the role of an Alpha predator. That's the goal, anyway. It teaches the coyote a negative association with your place. The main concern is continued habitat and resource loss for the coyote, causing desperation. That's when they really become a pain.

ETA: That's kind of where we are in my area. There has been a boom in development of what was wooded tracts and ag fields, with a decent creek passing through the area. It was prime territory for coyotes. First, a major four lane road was built through the middle of the area, essentially cutting it in half (that's habitat fracturing). Woods were then cleared and large warehouses and plants moved in with acres of asphalt and concrete (that's habitat loss). At the same time homes were being built across the area (that's direct conflict). Adding feeder roads and neighborhood roads further fractured the habitat.

Now, we have people in direct conflict with animals not particularly used to it. Complaints of seeing coyotes have skyrocketed, along with other wildlife encounters. I drive the new road a few times a week, and there is a lot of roadkill on it.

I'm not anti-progress or growth such as this (other than screw the influx of people and traffic), it is a necessity. I just know there are better ways to mitigate these known issues, but they weren't even considered.
This post was edited on 5/28/24 at 12:18 pm
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