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Ventless vs Vented gas fireplace

Posted on 1/1/21 at 5:07 pm
Posted by Clint Eastwood
Member since May 2015
229 posts
Posted on 1/1/21 at 5:07 pm
I have an older house that I have been remodeling over the past few years. Our bedroom has an old natural gas heater in the corner of the room. When I bought the house I had a new central HVAC system installed so we don’t use the gas heaters at all. I’ve removed all but one.

I would like to build a fireplace soon with a gas insert. It’s a decent sized room probably 25’x25’ with 10’ ceilings. I’m curious if I need to install vented or ventless. I have read that the new ventless have safety features to read oxygen levels in the room and a ventless would make the install much easier.
Posted by LSUtigerME
Walker, LA
Member since Oct 2012
3889 posts
Posted on 1/1/21 at 7:59 pm to
Go ventless. No reason to go vented IMO unless you wanted a real wood fireplace.
Posted by 2BRKnot
Member since Jul 2020
422 posts
Posted on 1/1/21 at 10:36 pm to
Ventless put out a lot of heat. If you want or need the heat, go with a ventless. If you just want the look and ambiance of a fire in a fireplace, definitely go with a vented one. When my wife and I were shopping for a gas fireplace, another customer warned us about a ventless fireplace. Her first fireplace was ventless, but it put out so much heat she couldn’t sit or place furniture anywhere near the fireplace. And she couldn’t use it for gatherings and parties because it heated her living room too much. Therefore, she stopped using it. She didn’t need to heat the room so she replaced it with a vented one. We got a vented one and are glad we did. Fireplaces in south Louisiana are rarely needed for heat.
Posted by Teufelhunden
Galvez, LA
Member since Feb 2005
5876 posts
Posted on 1/2/21 at 7:46 am to
quote:

Ventless

No such thing. They all vent, some in the house and some outside. The "ventless" ones smell if you're going to use propane in my opinion. I have a ventless and hate it because of the strong smell. I don't think natural gas is as bad but still would prefer vented.
Posted by YOURADHERE
Member since Dec 2006
8241 posts
Posted on 1/2/21 at 7:48 am to
This is my experience with ventless, we come from a townhouse with a wood burning fireplace we used quite often to a house with a ventless gas that’s practically unusable since it puts off so much heat.
Posted by onthebay
SC Lowcountry
Member since Aug 2020
193 posts
Posted on 1/2/21 at 9:22 am to
Us too.
Ours is ventless and it heats the living room and kitchen area up way too fast. That’s with two ceiling fans and 12’ ceilings in the living room. Looks great, but we hardly get to use it.
Posted by Uncle JackD
Member since Nov 2007
59207 posts
Posted on 1/2/21 at 9:29 am to
We have a ventless In our living room and recently bought a new set of logs from Busch fireplace. Like others said, they put out LOTS of heat... but I literally haven’t ran my central heat during the day since so that’s a plus. I just crack a window when it gets too warm and the wife gets to continue with the fire going. No ragerts here, I 100% recommend getting one with a remote & glowing embers.


This post was edited on 1/2/21 at 9:30 am
Posted by Clint Eastwood
Member since May 2015
229 posts
Posted on 1/2/21 at 12:07 pm to
Some I’ve seen are sold with a thermostat remote. I was thinking that getting to hot wouldn’t be a problem with the thermostat
Posted by Uncle JackD
Member since Nov 2007
59207 posts
Posted on 1/2/21 at 12:57 pm to
Yeah, this is the remote I use and it has thermostat.

Posted by Tygerfan
Member since Jan 2004
33804 posts
Posted on 1/2/21 at 7:56 pm to
quote:

I have a ventless and hate it because of the strong smell.


I had one in my old house and this was the problem I had. We never used it because of the smell that eventually gave us headaches.
I am having a house built now and still going with the gas fireplace but definitely paid a little extra to have it vented.
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
65744 posts
Posted on 1/2/21 at 9:33 pm to
The only negative to ventless is that they are outlawed in some municipalities.
The very municipalities that typically push "green" energies are the very ones the restrict the use of one of the most energy efficient home heat sources.
Posted by Popths
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
4276 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 6:55 pm to
Vented. We rarely use our ventless because of the smell. I also don’t like the carbon monoxide build up even though we have a monitor. Actually wish we had a real wood burning one.
Posted by Popths
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
4276 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 6:57 pm to
Ours is natural gas too. No propane.
Posted by FreddieMac
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
24530 posts
Posted on 1/4/21 at 2:45 pm to
nothing better than a wood burning fireplace. Go old school.
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
15388 posts
Posted on 1/5/21 at 8:16 pm to
If it’s an exterior wall, I’d vent it through the wall and decide later for vented vs vented insert. Otherwise, continue on:

I like the look of vented logs significantly better as they burn than ventless. For my wife’s birthday a couple of years back, I removed the old gas starter for a set of vented logs (I went with Peterson and learned way too darn much about the different options. You can literally find 5-30 second footage of essentially all of their sets burning on YouTube). Vented logs with an open flue still heat my great room significantly (~25ftx25ft, 9ft ceilings, so a fairly comparable space). Ventless gives you the option of “wasting” the heat (but you will still get some) and really heating your house. So if you want to gain a heat source at the expense of the aesthetic (unless you like the way ventless looks, but I can’t imagine that’s the case), vented wins. But you are removing a heat source that you don’t use and improving the aesthetics of the room; so that’s likely not going to be the best option (though when factoring in the cost of venting through a roof (if necessary) and how much better ventless logs look than an NG heater, the argument can look very different)
She is also a fan of fires in the summer. So with the old manual-key gas line, we installed a remote with standing pilot and adjustable flame. She has probably lit 400 fires in the last 500 days. If you are at all a fan of the look of fire in your house no matter the season, vented is the only way to go. If you want heat or the appearance of a fireplace, then either option is good (unless it’s going to cost way more for a vented set because you’re in a central location without good access for a flue)


What I wish I had known:
I really don’t use the flame control much, and it delays start/stop time significantly as the valve slowly opens. And you can manually control the gas from the valve regardless of the remote start you use. So I would probably opt for the milivolt pilot for the next one that I do. I don’t mind the standing on/off pilot. Mine has only gone out once, and it only took about 5 minutes to figure out how to relight it, but it just seems somewhat wasteful when the other option exists.
This post was edited on 1/6/21 at 8:24 pm
Posted by Clint Eastwood
Member since May 2015
229 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 8:22 am to
It is on an exterior wall. But at the front of the house. Not sure if I would rather go out of the wall or roof at this point but I am leaning toward vented.
Posted by redfish99
B.R.
Member since Aug 2007
17657 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 10:39 am to
Ventless is perfect for my 2500 sq ft home . Takes chill out of the entire home and I can open a window to get perfect temp control.
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