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Saban: 26-12, Kelly: 26-10, in first 3 seasons at LSU
Posted on 11/15/24 at 6:24 am
Posted on 11/15/24 at 6:24 am
I am in no way comparing Kelly to the GOAT, but curious which program folks think was in worse shape when they took over? The 3-8 team in DiNardo's last year in 1999 or 6-7 team from O in 2021?
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Posted on 11/15/24 at 6:28 am to Tdubs7
quote:DiNardo was 26-9-1 in his first 3 seasons at LSU. I mean, since you’re not comparing coaches.
Saban: 26-12, Kelly: 26-10, in first 3 seasons at LSU
Posted on 11/15/24 at 6:29 am to Tdubs7
Really doesn't matter. This is Kellys 3rd season. LSU had 2 down years under O before BK, but the overall prestige, facilities and recruiting power of the school were infinitely better for BK then Saban when Saban took over.
Bowl games are also a major difference. In the BCS era, bowls were highly contested. In the playoff era, they are a joke.
BK continues to get credit for these bowls that he's winning when other coaches had better regular seasons and sometimes lost better bowls.
I'd rather be 10 and 2 in regular season and lose a top match up BCS bowl then be 9 and 3 regular season and go beat Wisconsin in the nothing bowl.
BK is doing the latter and people on here are not differentiating. 9 and 3 seasons were what did Les in. When he was 10 and 2 regular season, his job was fine.
Bowl games are also a major difference. In the BCS era, bowls were highly contested. In the playoff era, they are a joke.
BK continues to get credit for these bowls that he's winning when other coaches had better regular seasons and sometimes lost better bowls.
I'd rather be 10 and 2 in regular season and lose a top match up BCS bowl then be 9 and 3 regular season and go beat Wisconsin in the nothing bowl.
BK is doing the latter and people on here are not differentiating. 9 and 3 seasons were what did Les in. When he was 10 and 2 regular season, his job was fine.
This post was edited on 11/15/24 at 6:31 am
Posted on 11/15/24 at 6:30 am to Tdubs7
As far as the roster, BK came into a train wreck. It was a far worse situation as far as that’s concerned.
As far as tradition (Prestige.), St. Nick came into a job that had none. Obviously it was much more difficult from that perspective for St. Nick.
I guess it depends on what you think is harder to do. Both are hard to overcome. There’s a reason why St. Nick’s best rosters were coming up starting in 2005.
As far as tradition (Prestige.), St. Nick came into a job that had none. Obviously it was much more difficult from that perspective for St. Nick.
I guess it depends on what you think is harder to do. Both are hard to overcome. There’s a reason why St. Nick’s best rosters were coming up starting in 2005.
This post was edited on 11/15/24 at 6:31 am
Posted on 11/15/24 at 6:31 am to Tdubs7
Kelly inherited worst situation of the two. However difficult to compare records of coaches as Kelly has had benefit of transfer portal which obviously Saban did not, so rebuild slower back then. Conversely, because of lack of transfer portal, Saban had better continuity of roster management. Bottom line, difficult to compare eras, but interesting that records are so similar. Encouraging to me for future.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 6:34 am to drizztiger
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since you're not comparing coaches
Nope, as I said, I wasn't comparing coaches and sure as hell wasn't asking about DiNardo. Reading from left to right, I was asking about the programs before they took the reigns.
This post was edited on 11/15/24 at 6:36 am
Posted on 11/15/24 at 6:35 am to Tdubs7
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Saban: 26-12, Kelly: 26-10, in first 3 seasons at LSU
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I am in no way comparing Kelly to the GOAT
That's literally exactly what you're doing.
Saban won the SEC his 2nd year and a national title his 4th year btw.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 6:43 am to Tdubs7
Saban inherited a roster with over 20 NFL players. Kelly has the benefit of the transfer portal. Hard to compare, different times.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 6:49 am to Tdubs7
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but curious which program folks think was in worse shape when they took over?
Didn't we play for the SEC Championship in Kelly's first year?
What happened. Did the remaining O talent leave? We still have an O recruit playing QB.
Do you like our trajectory?
Posted on 11/15/24 at 6:54 am to Tdubs7
quote:What exactly do you think you're doing with this
Nope, as I said, I wasn't comparing coaches
quote:
Saban: 26-12, Kelly: 26-10, in first 3 seasons at LSU
But you're asking about two different programs in two different era with twin different sets of rules.
But let's play this
Saban in 1999 took over a program that was not a top 15 program, hasn't won a national title in 40 years or a SEC title in 15 years. The state was regularly being pillaged by out of state schools for recruits and didn't have a transfer portal.
Kelly took over a top 5 program, had won 3 national titles in the previous 20 years with 3 different coaches and played for another and 5 SEC titles in that same time frame. He had the benefit of the transfer portal and NIL deals that allowed him to pick up a 4 year starter who ended up winning the heisman.
Saban won a national title with a dentist at QB. Kelly lost three games with heisman winner at QB. Not to mention Malik Nabers and Brian Thomas Jr.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 7:13 am to Tdubs7
i would say Kelly took over a worse program than Saban did as well...Kelly has the key pieces in place...just give him some time.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 7:13 am to Tdubs7
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I am in no way comparing Kelly to the GOAT
Yes you are.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 7:24 am to TigerStripes30
quote:Saban took over when LSU was considered a coaching graveyard. Yes, there are articles during that time that used that exact phrase coaches and agents used when discussing LSU. LSU was coming off a 7-15 record the past 2 seasons.
i would say Kelly took over a worse program than Saban did as well...Kelly has the key pieces in place...just give him some time.
DiNardo, not mentioned by OP, took over LSU after Curley Hallman had decimated the program with LSU winning a grand total of 16 games the 4 years under Hallman.
BK took over a program that had won 3 NCs in the last 20 years under 3 different coaches. LSU was considered a national brand and top tier job in CFB. LSU went 11-11 the 2 years prior to his hiring.
I’m pretty all of that is factual, regardless of how people want it spun.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 7:26 am to Tdubs7
Why do we always do this? These threads were done ad nauseum from 2014-2017 with Miles.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 7:26 am to Tdubs7
You comparing apples & oranges.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 7:27 am to Ebridg3
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9 and 3 seasons were what did Les in.
He really only had one 9-3 season toward the end and it was actually 8-3 because a game was canceled. The three losses were consecutive, by two touchdowns or more, and with really no decent OOC opponent.
8-4 (4-4)
8-4 (5-3)
8-3 (5-3)
4-2 (1-1)
Posted on 11/15/24 at 7:29 am to Tdubs7
Saban inherited a worse situation
Posted on 11/15/24 at 7:35 am to Tdubs7
Already been talked about days ago.
Saban also lost at home to Florida 44-15 in 2001
Saban also lost at home to Florida 44-15 in 2001
Posted on 11/15/24 at 7:38 am to JimTiger72
The previous two seasons prior to Saban combined for 7 wins, the previous 2 prior to Kelly had 12. The roster was stronger going into 2022 and the level of the overall program was in much much better shape. Kelly wouldn’t have taken the LSU job in 2000 it was so bad here.
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