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What is the difference between the STAR and nickel positions on defense?
Posted on 1/8/25 at 11:57 pm
Posted on 1/8/25 at 11:57 pm
I always thought they were both slot positions maybe a little different in their responsibilities.
Anyone have any insight?
Anyone have any insight?
Posted on 1/9/25 at 12:01 am to TexasTiger88
I’d check www.google.com
Posted on 1/9/25 at 12:09 am to TexasTiger88
quote:
Anyone have any insight?
Position labels are relative to scheme.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 12:53 am to TexasTiger88
I found this on the net
Nickel Back
Definition: A nickel back is an additional defensive back, usually a cornerback or safety, who replaces a linebacker in a nickel defense.
Formation: In a typical 4-3 defense, you have four defensive linemen, three linebackers, and four defensive backs. When a nickel back is added, it becomes a 4-2-5 formation (four linemen, two linebackers, five defensive backs)1.
Role: The nickel back primarily focuses on pass coverage, especially against offenses with three or more wide receivers. They may also be involved in blitz packages and run support2.
Usage: Nickel backs are often used in obvious passing situations, such as 3rd-and-long.
Star Position (or "Star" or "Will" Linebacker)
Definition: The star position, also known as the "Will" linebacker, is a hybrid linebacker-defensive back role.
Formation: In a 4-3 defense, the star position replaces one of the traditional linebackers, creating a 3-3-5 formation (three linemen, three linebackers, five defensive backs).
Role: The star player is versatile and can cover tight ends, running backs, and slot receivers, as well as rush the passer and support the run defense.
Usage: The star position is used to provide additional speed and coverage ability against spread offenses and passing attacks.
In summary, while both positions involve additional defensive backs and are designed to counter passing offenses, the nickel back is more focused on pass coverage, whereas the star position is a versatile hybrid that can handle both pass coverage and run defense.
Does that help clarify things?
Nickel Back
Definition: A nickel back is an additional defensive back, usually a cornerback or safety, who replaces a linebacker in a nickel defense.
Formation: In a typical 4-3 defense, you have four defensive linemen, three linebackers, and four defensive backs. When a nickel back is added, it becomes a 4-2-5 formation (four linemen, two linebackers, five defensive backs)1.
Role: The nickel back primarily focuses on pass coverage, especially against offenses with three or more wide receivers. They may also be involved in blitz packages and run support2.
Usage: Nickel backs are often used in obvious passing situations, such as 3rd-and-long.
Star Position (or "Star" or "Will" Linebacker)
Definition: The star position, also known as the "Will" linebacker, is a hybrid linebacker-defensive back role.
Formation: In a 4-3 defense, the star position replaces one of the traditional linebackers, creating a 3-3-5 formation (three linemen, three linebackers, five defensive backs).
Role: The star player is versatile and can cover tight ends, running backs, and slot receivers, as well as rush the passer and support the run defense.
Usage: The star position is used to provide additional speed and coverage ability against spread offenses and passing attacks.
In summary, while both positions involve additional defensive backs and are designed to counter passing offenses, the nickel back is more focused on pass coverage, whereas the star position is a versatile hybrid that can handle both pass coverage and run defense.
Does that help clarify things?
Posted on 1/9/25 at 12:56 am to TexasTiger88
they are very similar. i've always considered a Star more Linebacker first, safety second. A nickel is strictly a cover back.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 5:58 am to TexasTiger88
Actually nomenclature. Some will call for an extra safety and others will call for a safety playing a dual role LB.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 6:34 am to Tiger1944
quote:This probably meant to say in a 3-4 defense. In a 4-3 defense, there are 4 down lineman.
Formation: In a 4-3 defense, the star position replaces one of the traditional linebackers, creating a 3-3-5 formation (three linemen, three linebackers, five defensive backs).
Posted on 1/9/25 at 6:41 am to TexasTiger88
Nickel is CB/S hybrid more corner than safety. Star is a LB/S hybrid. More safety than LB.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 7:10 am to white beans
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I’d check www.google.com
Always a smart a$$ on this board.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 7:12 am to TexasTiger88
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What is the difference between the STAR and nickel positions on defense?
Star = Jacoby Stevens
NB = Tyrann Mathieu
Posted on 1/9/25 at 7:47 am to TexasTiger88
I look at a nickel as more of a hybrid CB/safety while the star is more of a hybrid LB/safety.
Ultimately the point of the 4-2-5 star defense is to somewhat split the difference between a 4-3-4 and a traditional 4-2-5 nickel package. The star safety should have better coverage skills than a pure 4-3 OLB but provide better run support than a pure nickel corner. It allows you to spend more time in your base defense without substituting.
Ultimately the point of the 4-2-5 star defense is to somewhat split the difference between a 4-3-4 and a traditional 4-2-5 nickel package. The star safety should have better coverage skills than a pure 4-3 OLB but provide better run support than a pure nickel corner. It allows you to spend more time in your base defense without substituting.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 7:58 am to Tiger1944
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"Will" linebacker, is a hybrid linebacker-defensive back role.
When I played back in the 90's. a Will was a weakside LB and a Sam was strongside. Guess it depends on the system and language
Posted on 1/9/25 at 7:59 am to TexasTiger88
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between the STAR and nickel positions on defense
One's a star, and the other isn't worth a dime?
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:00 am to TexasTiger88
A star player give you better run defense with less coverage ability.
A NB gives you better coverage with less run protection
A NB gives you better coverage with less run protection
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:01 am to 5iveEuax4eaux
Nickel is CB/S hybrid more corner than safety. Star is a LB/S hybrid. More safety than LB.
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This is how I have thought about both spots.
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This is how I have thought about both spots.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:26 am to white beans
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I’d check www.google.com
Why????? Don't you know this place has more elite level unemployed football coaches than any place on the internet!!
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:58 am to TexasTiger88
Tyrann is a nickel.
Danny McCray would be a star.
One can cover wideout when team brings out more wide receivers and the other could step up to the line when a team goes jumbo.
Danny McCray would be a star.
One can cover wideout when team brings out more wide receivers and the other could step up to the line when a team goes jumbo.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:08 am to TexasTiger88
You came to the right place.
Lots of football geniuses here .
Lots of football geniuses here .
Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:26 am to TexasTiger88
These threads are always fun. You'll get posters repeating what has already been stated in previous posts, but they want to make sure you understand that they're the real experts. It never fails.
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