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Does all dental insurance suck?
Posted on 3/18/24 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 3/18/24 at 2:34 pm
I currently have Dina Dental through my employer and it's complete garbage. The dentist I use has left their network, as well as my kids dentist. Apparently they're difficult to deal with.
Are their other options I can look at that will at least cover the basic yearly visits and such?
Are their other options I can look at that will at least cover the basic yearly visits and such?
Posted on 3/18/24 at 2:49 pm to Glock17
In my experience, yes. I dropped my dental insurance a few years ago as I found I was paying more in premiums that just paying cash for cleanings and I didn't anticipate any other upcoming work.
I now pay a flat fee for my dentist's "membership fee" that covers 2 cleanings and 1 xray per year, plus a 20-50% discount on other services.
I now pay a flat fee for my dentist's "membership fee" that covers 2 cleanings and 1 xray per year, plus a 20-50% discount on other services.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 3:01 pm to Glock17
We have Equitable and it's total shite.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 3:05 pm to Lightning
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I now pay a flat fee for my dentist's "membership fee" that covers 2 cleanings and 1 xray per year, plus a 20-50% discount on other services.
If your dentist offers this, you will rarely find an insurance plan that is better than this.
We just switched over to United Healthcare, and so far I have been hearing good things. But no one at work has tried to have any major work done under the dental plan.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 3:09 pm to Weekend Warrior79
I guess I'm glad to know it's' not just me. I'm seriously considering cancelling and just self insure
Posted on 3/18/24 at 3:11 pm to Glock17
Most any private dental insurance not through an employer is going to be more expensive than it is worth. Look at how much you would be paying per month vs what they will pay per year. And don’t forget that dental insurance isn’t insurance in the medical sense where once you hit your max they pay 100%. It is more of an allowance and once you hit the max, they pay 0% and you pay 100%.
Unless it is a very cheap additional expense through employer insurance the best bet would be to put whatever your premium would be aside in an HSA and use that to pay for cleanings and save whatever is left over each year in the account for when you need more expensive work.
There is a reason insurance companies advertise for dental and vision….. you pay in a bunch and they pay out very little.
About 25 years ago most insurances paid 1000$ per year. Today most insurance pay 1000-1500$ per year. Cost of dentistry and premiums have gone up but what insurance is paying out has not gone up an equal amount. Starting to see a few plans that have 2000-3500$ in benefits… but those are rare.
Unless it is a very cheap additional expense through employer insurance the best bet would be to put whatever your premium would be aside in an HSA and use that to pay for cleanings and save whatever is left over each year in the account for when you need more expensive work.
There is a reason insurance companies advertise for dental and vision….. you pay in a bunch and they pay out very little.
About 25 years ago most insurances paid 1000$ per year. Today most insurance pay 1000-1500$ per year. Cost of dentistry and premiums have gone up but what insurance is paying out has not gone up an equal amount. Starting to see a few plans that have 2000-3500$ in benefits… but those are rare.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 3:35 pm to Glock17
yes.
dental insurance isnt' really meant to be a full pay type coverage. it's really just supplementary
dental insurance isnt' really meant to be a full pay type coverage. it's really just supplementary
Posted on 3/18/24 at 3:39 pm to Glock17
Do you have kids?
If so, the insurance can help with braces and such.
The insurance can benefit you with multiple kids under a family plan.
Other than that, most dental plans feel like a prepayment plan.
They basically pass your premiums over to the dentist. So your value is equal to what you are forced to pay in.
(I.e. a HSA is a better alternative if you are likely to only need an X ray and 2 cleanings a year)
If so, the insurance can help with braces and such.
The insurance can benefit you with multiple kids under a family plan.
Other than that, most dental plans feel like a prepayment plan.
They basically pass your premiums over to the dentist. So your value is equal to what you are forced to pay in.
(I.e. a HSA is a better alternative if you are likely to only need an X ray and 2 cleanings a year)
This post was edited on 3/18/24 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 3/18/24 at 3:52 pm to Glock17
Yes! I have what is suppose to be the top tier dental insurance and pay a shite ton monthly only to have most of it not get accepted or only a small portion of it actually get used when it is needed. Dentist and Dental insurance are right up there with lawyers and big government in my book.



This post was edited on 3/18/24 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 3/18/24 at 3:54 pm to Glock17
We have blue cross blue shield at my work and I pay $600/yr for it for wife and myself. For just me it would have been $300/yr.
For just getting 2 exams and 1 xray at my dentist i am paying more for the premium than what they charge in a year but a little bit, however, my wife i swear has a filling or crown or something every year and thats where the plan really pays for itself. This year she just got another crown and the plan pay 50% for that (up to $1k per beneficiary per year). The crown was $1600, so we paid $800 out of pocket and the insurance is covering the other $800. So in essence the insurance more than covered itself already this year. The plan covers 100% preventative (so the 2 visits plus one xray per year). Then itslike 80% coverage for minor work and 50% for major work. Max total payout for them is $1k per person.
In years we dont get any work besides the preventative stuff done, the insurance company is actually making out a little better than we are. Its not by a ton, but it costs us a little extra to just pay the premiums in those years. With the work my wife gets done though
For just getting 2 exams and 1 xray at my dentist i am paying more for the premium than what they charge in a year but a little bit, however, my wife i swear has a filling or crown or something every year and thats where the plan really pays for itself. This year she just got another crown and the plan pay 50% for that (up to $1k per beneficiary per year). The crown was $1600, so we paid $800 out of pocket and the insurance is covering the other $800. So in essence the insurance more than covered itself already this year. The plan covers 100% preventative (so the 2 visits plus one xray per year). Then itslike 80% coverage for minor work and 50% for major work. Max total payout for them is $1k per person.
In years we dont get any work besides the preventative stuff done, the insurance company is actually making out a little better than we are. Its not by a ton, but it costs us a little extra to just pay the premiums in those years. With the work my wife gets done though
This post was edited on 3/18/24 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 3/18/24 at 7:37 pm to Glock17
Dentist here —- yes, they all pretty much suck, which, in turn, makes my job suck because I always end up looking like the a-hole. People already hate going to the dentist enough as it is.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 9:33 pm to DennisQuaid
All insurance is a scam.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 5:08 am to Lightning
That discount is higher than most dentists with that program. Seem 10-15% which is jack shite for a $300 bonding they call a 5 minute “filling” procedure. Dentists and insurance companies are all out thieves.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:11 am to Glock17
I e had dental coverage my entire adult life. In 30 years I think I came out to the good 3 years, and that was a close call
I still carry it, I am not smart
I still carry it, I am not smart
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:39 am to Glock17
We haven't had dental insurance in 13 years. Our HDHP covers preventive dental, like twice a year cleanings. We pay for anything else, but we can reimburse ourselves from our HSA if we choose.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:16 am to thunderbird1100
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The crown was $1600, so we paid $800 out of pocket and the insurance is covering the other $800. So in essence the insurance more than covered itself already this year.
You should ask them what the cash rate for something like this would be. Chances are, it'll be around that $800 mark too.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 12:08 pm to Weekend Warrior79
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You should ask them what the cash rate for something like this would be. Chances are, it'll be around that $800 mark too.
Crowns vary in price for different reasons but there no way it would have been close to $800 if we just paid them. She went for this 3 times between initial appt to get temporary, then broke her temporary and went back, then went back to get her final crown put in. This is also not a cheap dentist in general, shes been going there forever and its a fairly "fancy" place. IT was higher than $1,600 billed to insurance, they knocked it down to $1,600 where we paid $800 and they covered the other $800. Looking up crown prices they vay from $800-ish up to $3000 in some cases. So this definitely was not an $800 crown

This post was edited on 3/19/24 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 3/19/24 at 1:12 pm to Glock17
Well, yes, because it's not really insurance.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 1:13 pm to DennisQuaid
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DennisQuaid
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Dentist here
You missed an opportunity to DentistQuaid.
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