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How to buy hunting land?
Posted on 11/6/21 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 11/6/21 at 1:30 pm
Looking to buy 325 acres and wanting to see what the best options to consider for offsetting costs such as timber, tax write-offs, hunting club, etc?
Posted on 11/6/21 at 1:35 pm to TunaTrip
If you have the $ to buy 325 you probably have a CPA, he is who you need to be asking.
Timber, is the best set unless you have pasture or row crop on it.
HC are a pain the arse and with that few acres you can really only have 2-4 people.
Timber, is the best set unless you have pasture or row crop on it.
HC are a pain the arse and with that few acres you can really only have 2-4 people.
Posted on 11/6/21 at 1:51 pm to GREENHEAD22
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you probably have a CPA, he is who you need to be asking.
We’ll vet with him but it’s a Saturday and I’ve had two bushwackers.
TD is my best adviser for now.
Posted on 11/6/21 at 3:02 pm to TunaTrip
I admittedly do not know anything about this but wouldn't harvesting the lumber from the land degrade it's value as hunting grounds?
Also, why 325 precisely?
Also, why 325 precisely?
Posted on 11/6/21 at 3:25 pm to TigerFanatic99
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why 325 precisely
The opportunity came up to buy the track of land connected to my property. I’ve always wanted it, just want to make it an easier decision instead of just saying I’m going to tie up .5m dollars. It would make me feel better if there was opportunity to capture some type of tax incentive or income to offset costs.
Posted on 11/6/21 at 3:39 pm to TunaTrip
Timber prices are dependent on many things
Age class
Types of trees
Density of trees
Accessibility
Prices
Distance to mill
And many others
Age class
Types of trees
Density of trees
Accessibility
Prices
Distance to mill
And many others
Posted on 11/6/21 at 4:15 pm to Ron Cheramie
You can make more with CRP than timber right now.
Buy row crop land, lease it for 150 per acre. Start LLC and write off everything associated with it.
Hunting lease isnt worth the headache. But you could buy crp and lease it to hunters as well. Double income
Buy row crop land, lease it for 150 per acre. Start LLC and write off everything associated with it.
Hunting lease isnt worth the headache. But you could buy crp and lease it to hunters as well. Double income
Posted on 11/6/21 at 4:21 pm to TunaTrip
[Rubs hands together]
Do you mean, how to make the most out of the investment?
Timber is a big one, but it may not be a great or even marginally good $ producer on the specific tract you have picked out. These days, even primo hardwood tracts don’t cash flow very attractively on an ROR basis. If you’re going to use it for hunting yourself, I don’t think leasing to a HC is wise. I really think the best way to make money from it is to buy at a good price and hope it’s in an area that is desirable to buyers when you want to sell. Don’t overlook taxes. There are also govt programs that will cost share specific improvements, but I don’t get the sense there widely available or lucrative anymore. I’ve done the ROR calcs on tons of scenarios. I hope others chime in on the tax write off question. Research I’ve done makes me think that’s out of my comfort zone to exploit enough to make it worth anything.
I bought some timberland in SW MS in my early 30s and have been looking for more ever since. The fact of the matter is, these days it’s a poor use of money compared to other investments. I get a great deal of satisfaction from land ownership and improvement. That’s the only way I can justify the modest financial benefit it provides. I have a couple tracts picked out that I’d overpay for right now. Of course some are neighbors!
Do you mean, how to make the most out of the investment?
Timber is a big one, but it may not be a great or even marginally good $ producer on the specific tract you have picked out. These days, even primo hardwood tracts don’t cash flow very attractively on an ROR basis. If you’re going to use it for hunting yourself, I don’t think leasing to a HC is wise. I really think the best way to make money from it is to buy at a good price and hope it’s in an area that is desirable to buyers when you want to sell. Don’t overlook taxes. There are also govt programs that will cost share specific improvements, but I don’t get the sense there widely available or lucrative anymore. I’ve done the ROR calcs on tons of scenarios. I hope others chime in on the tax write off question. Research I’ve done makes me think that’s out of my comfort zone to exploit enough to make it worth anything.
I bought some timberland in SW MS in my early 30s and have been looking for more ever since. The fact of the matter is, these days it’s a poor use of money compared to other investments. I get a great deal of satisfaction from land ownership and improvement. That’s the only way I can justify the modest financial benefit it provides. I have a couple tracts picked out that I’d overpay for right now. Of course some are neighbors!
Posted on 11/6/21 at 4:28 pm to GREENHEAD22
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If you have the $ to buy 325 you probably have a CPA, he is who you need to be asking.
Wtf 22! That ain’t what the man asked! Hahaha.
Posted on 11/6/21 at 4:46 pm to TunaTrip
You are getting 325 acres for 500k? That is a hell of a deal. What state if you don't mind me asking?
Posted on 11/6/21 at 4:47 pm to turkish
There are some very specific programs and govt incomes that can damn near make land owning free. CpAs know alot of these
For example... buy row crop under your wifes newly formed LLC and get significant tax incentive as a minority owned small business. Buy it under a land bank loan and get a patronage of 1% back as well. Lease to a good farmer and write off all your costs and every trip etc to the property but it is relatively hands off.
Sell in 5 yrs and roll into a 1031 then buy again, never paying a dime of taxes
For example... buy row crop under your wifes newly formed LLC and get significant tax incentive as a minority owned small business. Buy it under a land bank loan and get a patronage of 1% back as well. Lease to a good farmer and write off all your costs and every trip etc to the property but it is relatively hands off.
Sell in 5 yrs and roll into a 1031 then buy again, never paying a dime of taxes
Posted on 11/6/21 at 4:48 pm to jimjackandjose
Now we’re talking. Checking into this woman owned farm! I couldn’t quite decipher the “free” part though.
Also learned that I should have a CPA.
Also learned that I should have a CPA.
This post was edited on 11/6/21 at 5:15 pm
Posted on 11/6/21 at 5:29 pm to turkish
Free part
Let's say you have a 1M loan from land bank
You buy under LLC and write off all the closing costs, survey costs, real estate fees etc to buy it
Rent row crop to a farmer for 150 per acre. 45K income for 300 acres
Write off interest of 60K ish per year
Write off all expenses, mileage yearly
Get 1% back on patronage. 10K or so
After everything, you come out pretty close to break even. Hold for a few years and sell for profit. Get 1031 and do another one
Let's say you have a 1M loan from land bank
You buy under LLC and write off all the closing costs, survey costs, real estate fees etc to buy it
Rent row crop to a farmer for 150 per acre. 45K income for 300 acres
Write off interest of 60K ish per year
Write off all expenses, mileage yearly
Get 1% back on patronage. 10K or so
After everything, you come out pretty close to break even. Hold for a few years and sell for profit. Get 1031 and do another one
Posted on 11/7/21 at 6:21 am to jimjackandjose
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Rent row crop to a farmer for 150 per acre. 45K income for 300 acres
Ya'll must have some damn good prices on crops, because the only farmers paying that around here are the sugarcane guys.
Posted on 11/7/21 at 1:37 pm to TunaTrip
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and I’ve had two bushwackers.
TD is my best adviser for now.
The best decisions are made while drinking alcohol and listening to advice on TD
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