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Ryan Day: “There’s twelve men on the field!!!” Dan Lanning: “I know"
Posted on 10/13/24 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 10/13/24 at 7:48 pm
Ryan Day out coached until the very end, again.
quote:
10 left, Oregon calls a timeout
they intentionally add a 12th man late to ensure no big gain occurs
ball is snapped, no big gain
obviously it’s a penalty BUT
1) :04 ticks off clock
2) no big gain
:06 left
only time for 1 play
Clock expires
WIN
quote:
Dan Lanning may have seen Tom Coughlin take a play away from the Patriots at the end of SB46, by putting a 12th man on the field & taking an acceptable 5-yard penalty in exchange for enough time to run off the clock to prevent a 2nd play from the offense
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Posted on 10/13/24 at 7:59 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
That’s pretty good stuff 
Posted on 10/13/24 at 8:13 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Am i misremembering, or did there used to be separate penalties for having too many men on the field (ie guy trying to run off late) and illegal participation (12 actually playing)?
Wasn’t the former a 5-yard and the latter 15?
Wasn’t the former a 5-yard and the latter 15?
Posted on 10/13/24 at 8:15 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
shouldn't this be addressed?
perhaps a 12 man defensive penalty puts the clock back to what it was if accepted? i don't have the best solution, but it seems like something should be done about it.
perhaps a 12 man defensive penalty puts the clock back to what it was if accepted? i don't have the best solution, but it seems like something should be done about it.
Posted on 10/13/24 at 8:22 pm to beauchristopher
15 yards and reset the clock.
Posted on 10/13/24 at 8:22 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
That's awesome!Posted on 10/13/24 at 8:23 pm to lsusa
quote:
Am i misremembering, or did there used to be separate penalties for having too many men on the field (ie guy trying to run off late) and illegal participation (12 actually playing)?
They are separate penalties.
12 men (illegal substitution) is a pre-snap penalty treated as a live-ball foul(in college and the NFL) and illegal participation is a live ball foul.
This post was edited on 10/13/24 at 8:27 pm
Posted on 10/13/24 at 8:23 pm to beauchristopher
it’s a penalty as soon as the ball is snapped. it should be treated like offsides.
Posted on 10/13/24 at 8:26 pm to beauchristopher
quote:
perhaps a 12 man defensive penalty puts the clock back to what it was if accepted? i don't have the best solution, but it seems like something should be done about it.
Would also be good if the defense does like the Ravens and tackles all the receivers.
Posted on 10/13/24 at 8:29 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
this may be a dumb question but if you’re going to do this, why not put 14 or 16 guys out there? is there a limit that the refs wouldn’t let the play snap?
This post was edited on 10/13/24 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 10/13/24 at 8:31 pm to Eighteen
quote:
this may be a dumb question but if you’re going to do this, why not put 14 or 16 guys out there?
I have genuintely wondered the same thing!
Posted on 10/13/24 at 9:33 pm to Eighteen
I'm guessing unsportsmanlike conduct.
Posted on 10/13/24 at 11:58 pm to beauchristopher
Guarantee he would have brought it up during a press conference if it was intentional. I mean the guy released a hype video of him declining the Alabama job he was never offered
Definitely worked out well though.
Definitely worked out well though.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 12:18 am to beauchristopher
quote:For any defensive penalties enforced with 2 minutes left you give the offense the choice as to whether or not they want the clock brought back or not. Fixed
shouldn't this be addressed?
perhaps a 12 man defensive penalty puts the clock back to what it was if accepted? i don't have the best solution, but it seems like something should be done about it.
While you’re at it you give the same luxury to the defense on offensive penalties (ala the Ravens straight tackling people on offense/punts trying to kill clock)
Whatever the rule ends up I don’t think it’ll be long before a change, this cat isn’t going back into the bag
This post was edited on 10/14/24 at 11:07 am
Posted on 10/14/24 at 12:25 am to Eighteen
quote:There is a catch-all in the NCAA rules that gives the referee the ability to enforce unsportsmanlike conduct for actions that get around the spirit of the game
this may be a dumb question but if you’re going to do this, why not put 14 or 16 guys out there? is there a limit that the refs wouldn’t let the play snap?
12 is plausible error
13 is plausible error if you’re Derek Dooley
15 is intentional and an easy flag for it
quote:
“An obviously unfair act not specifically covered by the rules occurs during the game”
This post was edited on 10/14/24 at 11:07 am
Posted on 10/14/24 at 12:30 am to RemouladeSawce
Reminds me of what Bielema did at Wisconsin in 2006 vs Penn State:
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This game drew the ire of Penn State head coach Joe Paterno as the first half came to a close. Under the clock rules introduced at the beginning of the season, the clock began running immediately as the ball was kicked, rather than when it was fielded by the receiving team. Following a Stocco touchdown that gave the Badgers a 10–3 lead with 23 seconds to go, Coach Bielema deliberately ordered his kickoff unit to run offsides before Taylor Mehlhaff kicked off. Because the Badgers were offsides (and thus further downfield), the Penn State special teams were unable to field the ball well, and thus would have had awful field position; they instead elected to rekick. Wisconsin repeated the tactic, essentially running out the clock on the first half. Bielema's strategy was decried by many as unsportsmanlike; others praised him for bringing light to a loophole in the new clock system. After the regular season, the clock rules were reverted to their pre-2006 form.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 1:01 am to RemouladeSawce
quote:”
“An obviously unfair act not specifically covered by the rules occurs during the game
That's an informative answer as to why coaches don't push the envelope in being tricky.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 1:20 am to beauchristopher
quote:
shouldn't this be addressed?
perhaps a 12 man defensive penalty puts the clock back to what it was if accepted? i don't have the best solution, but it seems like something should be done about it.
I would rather them find a solution for a plethora of ole miss players flopping on the ground like a fish.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 6:58 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Hats off to Lanning for doing this. Nothing illegal about it. Stupid that it’s something that can be done, but if you can get away with it, by all means take advantage of it.
How does an offense counteract this on the fly? Not sure there’s an answer other than committing a false start and having offsetting penalties.
I expect some kind of change to the rule sooner than later, similar to the fake QB slide rule recently.
How does an offense counteract this on the fly? Not sure there’s an answer other than committing a false start and having offsetting penalties.
I expect some kind of change to the rule sooner than later, similar to the fake QB slide rule recently.
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