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How was Stan Lee not a billionaire?
Posted on 1/21/22 at 12:13 am
Posted on 1/21/22 at 12:13 am
His net worth when he died was supposedly only around $50 million. And I think most of that came from Disney basically just paying him to be Stan Lee for the last 15 years or so of his life.
I know comic books were not extremely lucrative back in the day and were considered nothing more than kids entertainment, but did Stan not own a piece of every Marvel property? If he did, with all of the merchandise and box office profits, etc, shouldn't he have been trmednously more wealthy by the end of his life?
I know comic books were not extremely lucrative back in the day and were considered nothing more than kids entertainment, but did Stan not own a piece of every Marvel property? If he did, with all of the merchandise and box office profits, etc, shouldn't he have been trmednously more wealthy by the end of his life?
Posted on 1/21/22 at 12:19 am to Jack Ruby
Lee once said:
“One of my lifelong regrets is that I’ve always been too casual about money.”
“It’s been made abundantly clear to me, by friends and others, that I should have realized I was creating a whole kaboodle of characters that became valuable franchises, but I was creating them for others.”
”Don’t allow others to take advantage of you and capitalize on your ideas without giving you fair compensation.”
“One of my lifelong regrets is that I’ve always been too casual about money.”
“It’s been made abundantly clear to me, by friends and others, that I should have realized I was creating a whole kaboodle of characters that became valuable franchises, but I was creating them for others.”
”Don’t allow others to take advantage of you and capitalize on your ideas without giving you fair compensation.”
Posted on 1/21/22 at 12:36 am to Jack Ruby
Marvel was never financial solvent until relatively recently. They got bought out by Toy Biz around 1990 and they started getting their financial house in order. A number of properties were licensed out to studios to make make some money (Spider-Man to Sony, Hulk to Universal, Blade to New Line, X-Men to TCF, etc.).
All this to say, Lee probably got stiffed in this corporate re-shuffling by not getting lucrative deals to earn off the IP he had originated.
All this to say, Lee probably got stiffed in this corporate re-shuffling by not getting lucrative deals to earn off the IP he had originated.
Posted on 1/21/22 at 1:28 am to UndercoverBryologist
Damn, you'd think he would have least have been able to get a 1% or royalty or something for his IP.
I do know though, that Jack Kirby's estate is the one who really got stiffed. I don't think he owned any part of the characters he created at Marvel. Just think what that entails:
Iron Man
Captain America
Thor
Fantatsic Four
Dr Doom
Silver Surfer
X-Men
Scarket Witch
Loki
Black Panther
Galactus
Celestials
Ant Man
Eternals
Nick Fury
Adam Warlock
Red Skull
Quicksilver
Groot
Bucky Barnes
Peggy Carter
Ronan the Accuser
I do know though, that Jack Kirby's estate is the one who really got stiffed. I don't think he owned any part of the characters he created at Marvel. Just think what that entails:
Iron Man
Captain America
Thor
Fantatsic Four
Dr Doom
Silver Surfer
X-Men
Scarket Witch
Loki
Black Panther
Galactus
Celestials
Ant Man
Eternals
Nick Fury
Adam Warlock
Red Skull
Quicksilver
Groot
Bucky Barnes
Peggy Carter
Ronan the Accuser
Posted on 1/21/22 at 6:45 am to Jack Ruby
Lee was also swindled out of a chunk of change towards the end of his life.
Wikipedia:
Victim of elder abuse
In April 2018, The Hollywood Reporter published a report that claimed Lee was a victim of elder abuse; the report asserted that among others, Keya Morgan, Lee's business manager and a memorabilia collector, had been isolating Lee from his trusted friends and associates following his wife's death, to obtain access to Lee's wealth, estimated to amount to US$50 million.[34][35] In August 2018, Morgan was issued a restraining order to stay away from Lee, his daughter, and his associates for three years.[36] The Los Angeles Superior Court charged Morgan in May 2019 with five counts of abuse for events that had occurred in mid-2018.[37] The charges were false imprisonment, grand theft of an elder or dependent adult, fraud, forgery, and elder abuse.[38][39]
Another figure in the alleged abuse was Lee's former business manager Jerardo Olivarez, who was introduced to Lee by J.C. after his wife's death. Lee filed suit against Olivarez in April 2018, calling him one of several "unscrupulous businessmen, sycophants and opportunists" that approached him during this period. According to Lee's complaint, after gaining Lee's power of attorney, Olivarez fired Lee's personal banker, changed Lee's will, convinced him to allow transfers of millions of dollars from his accounts and used some of the funds to purchase a condominium.[40]
Wikipedia:
Victim of elder abuse
In April 2018, The Hollywood Reporter published a report that claimed Lee was a victim of elder abuse; the report asserted that among others, Keya Morgan, Lee's business manager and a memorabilia collector, had been isolating Lee from his trusted friends and associates following his wife's death, to obtain access to Lee's wealth, estimated to amount to US$50 million.[34][35] In August 2018, Morgan was issued a restraining order to stay away from Lee, his daughter, and his associates for three years.[36] The Los Angeles Superior Court charged Morgan in May 2019 with five counts of abuse for events that had occurred in mid-2018.[37] The charges were false imprisonment, grand theft of an elder or dependent adult, fraud, forgery, and elder abuse.[38][39]
Another figure in the alleged abuse was Lee's former business manager Jerardo Olivarez, who was introduced to Lee by J.C. after his wife's death. Lee filed suit against Olivarez in April 2018, calling him one of several "unscrupulous businessmen, sycophants and opportunists" that approached him during this period. According to Lee's complaint, after gaining Lee's power of attorney, Olivarez fired Lee's personal banker, changed Lee's will, convinced him to allow transfers of millions of dollars from his accounts and used some of the funds to purchase a condominium.[40]
Posted on 1/21/22 at 7:11 am to Jack Ruby
Both Kirby and Stan Lee should have been worth Walt Disney money
Posted on 1/21/22 at 8:05 am to Jack Ruby
quote:
I do know though, that Jack Kirby's estate is the one who really got stiffed. I don't think he owned any part of the characters he created at Marvel.
Kirby's heirs reached a settlement. He didn't own any Marvel content because he worked for-hire. That was the nature of the business, and I don't think there was much controversy until the 80's or 90's when the collectors market started blowing up. Aside from the work-for-hire problem, there were problems with the bullpen-style management at Marvel under Lee, which led to competing and conflicting claims of credit for creating different characters. Take Spiderman - Lee swore he created Spidey, Steve Ditko believed Steve Ditko did.
As undercover pointed out, Marvel had been through several bankruptcies and sales over the years. Comics had traditionally been low-value, and were more or less subsidized by retailers as a way to entertain kids. That gradually changed for Marvel as they shifted gears towards young adults and aging fans, but that shift wasn't a huge financial success. I'd be a little surprised if Lee was even worth 50 million.
I think it's debatable how much their heirs deserve for properties that weren't highly valuable until Disney created new value with Marvel Studios. Lee and other Marvel execs had made a ton of previous runs at Hollywood, with mixed results. Stan Lee would've loved to become the Walt Disney of MarvelWorld, he simply wasn't able.
Posted on 1/21/22 at 8:56 am to Jack Ruby
quote:He was Tony Stark rich compared to the artists that made him famous. If you want to learn about Lee, read True Believer: The Rise and Fall of Stan Lee by Abraham Riesman. It's a warts and all biography that maps out Lee's successes and failures.
How was Stan Lee not a billionaire?
Posted on 1/21/22 at 9:03 am to PowerTool
quote:Those close to Kirby have said that his main focus and worry was providing for his family. Lee claiming sole credit for Kirby's creations and refusing Kirby a writing credit were secondary concerns to Kirby not being fairly compensated. If there was ever a right that can be made for a wrong done to a deceased person, it's paying Kirby's kids and grandkids over and above what Kirby was owed.
I think it's debatable how much their heirs deserve for properties that weren't highly valuable until Disney created new value with Marvel Studios.
Posted on 1/21/22 at 10:53 am to gumbo2176
I kinda assumed he did things like sell the rights for a Captain America movie back in the 70s for like $60,000.
You really want to talk about people who got the shaft - the comic book writers who wrote the stories that became the spine of massive Marvel movies. Some of them just got a few grand and tickets to a movie premiere.
You really want to talk about people who got the shaft - the comic book writers who wrote the stories that became the spine of massive Marvel movies. Some of them just got a few grand and tickets to a movie premiere.
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